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ru:Допинг#В России

Xx236 (talk) 07:09, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

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There is no connection between the doping is Russia and in the USA. Please don't add the trash here. Rather the state doping system in the GDR should be mentioned.Xx236 (talk) 06:47, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Please explain your edit. There is no similarity between the USA decentralized doping system and the Russian one controlled by the state.Xx236 (talk) 07:03, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

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Details on individual athletes

"On November 1, 2017 a cross-country skier Alexander Legkov who won a gold medal was disqualified and banned for life by the IOC. His Sochi results were wiped from the record. A second Russian cross-country skier who didn't get to the podium was also disqualified and banned for life. 8 days later four more Russian cross-country skiers who won a combined 3 medals were found guilty of doping. The total was brought to ten when four skeleton racers were disqualified on November 22, 2017, two medals (gold and bronze) were stripped off. On November 24, 2017 the IOC imposed life bans on bobsledder Alexandr Zubkov and speed skater Olga Fatkulina who won a combined 3 medals (2 gold, 1 silver). All their results were wiped from the record, meaning that Russia lost its first place in the medal standings. Olga Stulneva and Aleksandr Rumyantsev were also disqualified. On November 27, 2017 IOC sanctioned Olga Vilukhina, Yana Romanova, Sergey Chudinov, Alexey Negodaylo, and Dmitry Trunenkov, and stripped Vilyukhina and Romanova of their medals in biathlon."

These details are already included in Oswald Commission and/or "Stripped Olympic medals" within Doping in Russia. There's no need to repeat them in "Aftermath". It ends up cluttering a page that's already getting too long and does little to help readers understand the doping scheme. When a page is already this long, repetition should be avoided. Hergilei (talk) 00:52, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

This issue is also affected by daily updates,[1] it must be difficult to update every article. Raymond3023 (talk) 05:52, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

My only focus is to bring awareness of this article. As you might have noticed, I updated this Template:Olympic Games controversies, created a page about the IOC Disciplinary Commission, referenced Doping in Russia on these pages: 2014 Winter Olympics, 2016 Summer Olympics, Russia at the Olympics, Doping in sport (there was no mention of doping in Russia on that page before), I almost on a daily basis update Doping at the Olympic Games (including Doping in Russia), 2014 Winter Olympics medal table and List of stripped Olympic medals. There's now information about Russian doping here Russia and here Sport in Russia (even here Soviet Union at the Olympics). Last but not least, I update statistics (and this is one of many examples). If you check pageview stats, you'll find out that Doping in Russia is more viewed now than ever before. Now about the 'Putin's quote': it is apparent that you misunderstood me. Besides that, there were no his quotes, I just added a small line 'the day after Vladimir Putin had accused the U.S. of ginning up problems for Russian athletes' before larger 'WADA said in a news release that it had obtained an electronic file that contains “all testing data” from January 2012 to August 2015 — thousands of drug screenings run on Russian athletes. The database, which the Russian authorities were unwilling to share with antidoping investigators, arrived through a whistleblower' (that was added by me as well). That was done to describe all of the most important events of that time period in one sentence (Putin's announcement was important (important doesn't mean good or bad, just important)). I also added some notable reactions of Russian officials and coaches. If you want to remove the chronology of Sochi disqualifications, you're free do that. I'll focus on updating the content and bringing awareness. Cskamoscow100 (talk) 16:10, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

I haven't thought about removing the chronology yet, it may remain. Raymond3023 (talk) 03:44, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Don't forget to consult with other contributors before removing any material. Cskamoscow100 (talk) 4:32, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

References

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I created a new template. Check it out. Cskamoscow100 (talk) 13:06, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Contextualizing the Statistics section

Maybe the Statistics section needs some context added. Where it is stated that Russia was the country with the most anti-doping rule violations in the years 2013, 2014 and 2015, it should be said as well that during those years Russia was the country with the most athletes competing at the highest level in numerous sports (the same way it had been for many decades before, considering the Soviet Union - Russia succession).

It's almost inevitable, statistics wise, that the country with the most athletes also have the most anti-doping rule violations.

The same for stripped Olympic medals.

If the information in the article is not contextualized, it will always feel biased.

Filipe Alves as --89.152.214.37 (talk) 18:47, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

100% agree. This entire article is very biased. No excusing the doping, but this article reads as if Russians are the only athletes to ever use steroids. Totally ridiculous. 69.127.80.46 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

hashtag "controversy"

is this ... relevant to anything? it's literally a section about a handful of people posting on Twitter maybe 200 times. historically unimportant - people post on twitter all day every day in far greater numbers that aren't government-sponsored bots. 69.127.80.46 (talk) 14:30, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Help?

Perhaps someone can help address the issues raised here 2603:7000:2143:8500:B8EA:D7F1:9659:CA9C (talk) 22:54, 16 September 2022 (UTC)