Talk:Donny Tourette

He has left. Can someone please find a source for this, will take a few hours to filter through, on C4 now though. Anyway I'm off to bed. s p u n k o 2 0 1 0 01:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Born in '81, not '84

Although the Big Brother website says he is 22, The Daily Mirror has obtained a birth certificate copy which states his date of birth as 1981. Also see link [3] on the main article (the one about him and Courtney Love), which states his age as 25. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sl84 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Date of birth

See: [1]. I've removed dob for now. — Matt Crypto 09:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the bit which states the viewing figures dropped is clearly bias towards donny as it fails to mention that this drop was mainly due to the first figure being the opening night and suggests that it was due to him leaving. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.87.192 (talk • contribs) 16:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

NeverMindTheBuzzcocks

Why are edits being reverted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.98.77 (talk • contribs) 11:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how every single detail of what happened on these shows is relevant to this his page. I believe stating he was on them is fine, but giving every single detail is ridiculous. You don't see this much information about other notable people on these shows being put on their Wiki do you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.215.32.161 (talk) 09:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind The Buzzcocks

Why do people keep writing so much on this page about Tourette's appearance on Nevermind The Buzzcocks? The edits are never remotely encyclopaedic and are always coloured by a clear dislike of the subject matter. It's not unusual for someone to go on said programme and engage in 'banter' with fellow contestants and as such the specific 'banter' that took place when Tourette appeared on the programme is not notable. Petepetepetepete 08:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The same reason Celebrity Big Brother is on there. They are the facts, not POV. Lot's of people go onto CBB (and leave) but you don't keep removing that from the entry? The Buzzcocks show was notable event in the series and a large part of his notoriety. Please leave!! Dvb23

I agree that the CBB content needs to be reduced. The previous edits you made contained a number of POV statements. I still struggle to see the encyclopaedic worth of the musings of Brookside's Tinhead, but if you really have your heart set that much on expanding the content of Tourette's 'memorable' appearance on Never Mind The Buzzcocks, then please try and make it as factual and objective as possible. Petepetepetepete 10:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Why are the YouTube links removed? They are links to an external site.

• Nevermind the Buzzcocks series 20 episode 2 - removed to protect copyright laws — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.98.77 (talk • contribs) 11:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

To Yuser31415. Why did you revert my edits? Did you watch the show? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.98.77 (talk • contribs) 11:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Numerous users are removing your edits, because you are violating copyright laws of the BBC, see WP:LINK. - Deathrocker 22:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• Enya paragraph?

Whats wrong with this:

In the end, Amstell rigged the scores against Donny's Team. When Donny protested he was teased about his anarchist punk credentials, Bill said "Let's trash the system, but can he have another point?" and claimed Donny was as much a punk as Enya. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FlatOfAngles (talk • contribs) 23:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

To DeathRocker, you keep removing the above paragraph? Can we discuss it? To DeathRocker, you again remove the above paragraph. If not happy please discuss first.

• Uncited claims that the show was "rigged" ?

Amstell gave the score before the final round... then after. They only got 2 questions right but gained about 5 points... — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlatOfAngles (talk • contribs) 02:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

That happens a lot in many comedy panel shows; it's not necessarily rigged, they just edit out questions that weren't answered in an amusing manner or whatever, to make room for more amusing bits. Now, this whole section paints Donny in a completely different way he came off as on the show; putting it lightly, a twat. And a stupid one at that. Now, DeathRocker, I'm pretty sure you're a strong 'Towers' fan, but could you possibly keep your personal opinions to yourself? The above paragraph should be changed simply to remove the 'rigging' statement, then state the final scores as they were said on the programme. That will make the whole thing a bit more NPOV rather than painting Donny in a rebellious punk style light - which he tried to do himself, but failed miserably. Watching that episode was hilarious but cringeworthy. Xzamuel 02:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

someone ought to put in something about the smoking, and the mocking he recieved. The general feel of this section doesn't paint him as enough of a prick. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.136.17.103 (talk • contribs) 19:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

1. I agree with that statement. I watched that episode and was surprised to find nothing much about it on this Wiki page at all. A lot of the basic facts of the episode are missing, such as his hand gestures, his smoking, the jokes made about him and generally the overall acceptance that he is a moron that prevailed at the end of the episode. Bill Bailey's Enya comment definitely needs to be included as an actual quote from the show. - Contortion 15:35, 27 December 2007

So much for neutrality. The show really did make him look like an idiot, yet this page makes it look as though he was a heroic rebel. "Tourette refered to Amstell as "Anstis" more than once," this makes it sound like he was making some kind of commentary. In fact Tourette had made a mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.252.240.64 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I know, the article claims Amstell and Tourette exchanged ridiculing statements, however it was more Tourette attempting to ridicule amstell but being outdone by amstell completely. It also said he mocked bill bailey but the crowd did not laugh and bill bailey got him back by showing how stupid and pathetic he was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.39.208 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Why was my edit reverted? It only detailed two incidents (donny smoking and his complaining about points) which aren't currently featured. The article as it stands does not give a complete picture of the event, and if it fails to do this, the section may as well not be there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.36.147 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

• Agreed, Deathrocker, if you're going to constantly just revert ANY edit which shows a shred of negativity to Tourette then the whole section may as well be deleted. As it stands it is a completely skewed portrayal of events. The Bill Bailey response to what he said should NOT have been revered as it was completely truthful. Xzamuel 19:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

There's clearly a bit of a problem with some people and the whole Buzzcocks escapade. I just made some edits to the Buzzcocks section which were immediately reverted. I've since restored my original edit because there was nothing wrong with it. If the editor wants to tell me what they dislike about the edit, I would appreciate it if they did so here. 86.128.227.223 22:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Emm... someone's got too much free time! (-: PS there's an outside world... you dont have to sit by your PC arguing about what happened on Never Mind The Buzzcocks... and the irony is your calling Donny Tourette pathetic.. he's not the 1 sittin by his PC all day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.241.236 (talk • contribs) 18:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, that proves you're totally unsuited to writing an encyclopedaeic article- you're clearly his fan, and as such would be unable to write an unbiased entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Himynameishelen (talk • contribs) 23:48, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

DeathRocker non neutral reverts, please stop!

How can we request DeathRocker not to revert factual additions? This page documents Donny Tourette so should include successes and mistakes. This page is not part of the Donny Tourette promotional material. DeathRocker, please allow negative facts to remain, aswell as positive ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.96.213.158 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

A lot of people appear to be having problems with this user, who seems to be a fan. If you manage to read this, Deathrocker, Wikipedia is not just for your edits. Everyone is allowed to edit what you write. You agree to this whenever you submit anything to Wikipedia. The general consensus here is that the Buzzcocks section was not neutral as it was. The new edit may not be completely neutral either. Feel free to change certain aspects. Do not revert it for no reason other than you don't like it. That is vandalism and will be reported accordingly.Jacob1453 17:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

And please don't accuse me of 'libel' when I am simply trying to report fact. That is a personal attack and is against the spirit of Wikipedia. Jacob1453 18:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Archived copy of buzzcock's text for comparison

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donny_Tourette&oldid=108042290

Lack of neutrality issues

Various users are reverting changes without discussion. The Buzzcock section is now far from an accurate reflection of what happened. What's to be done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LifeRocker (talk • contribs) 00:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

POV justification

I've added the POV header to the main page and Buzzcock section. I saw the Buzzcock show. You too can see it for yourself. It's been posted to popular online video sites. In my opinion, Tourette got off to a poor start. He was rude about another band and insulting to Bill Bailey. Consequently he was mocked during the show. Similarly, his attempts to be cool were laughed at as were his smoking of a cigarette. Finally, he claims he is a punk, but Bill said he was as much a punk as Enya (not a punk right now). He did not come over as a punk, maybe as someone trying to be a punk, but not actually a punk. That was the message I got.

Many people have tried to edit that into the article, however, many other people have either uneditted it or just plainly reverted the edits.

As can be seen from the article history and this talk page, the article is being pulled in both directions.

Consequently, i've added the POV banners and this supporting explanation.

~~ FlatOfAngles.

I've put the POV banner back on the Buzzcock's section, which I and others believe is not an accurate reflection of what happened. The wikipedia guidelines for resolving these issues say to add POV banner and justification in the talk page, which I did. Please do not just remove the POV banner.

~~ FlatOfAngles.

It was me who initially cut down the Buzzcocks section to what it is presently. A user calling themselves Deathrocker, who has now changed their name to Daddy Kindsoul, was reverting everything that didn't paint Donny in a positive light. I felt the need to remove more or less everything, lest Donny sounds like a 'heroic rebel'. I'm sure everyone who saw that show is agreed he didn't really come off all that well. Unfortunately, the user in question refuses to discuss any changes here, and any unfavourable changes are immediately reverted, accusing the editors of vandalism and libel. Why the user refuses to use the talk page bewilders me - if you check the recent history they removed a rant from an angry person from the talk page (which was clearly the right thing to do), but ignored the comments from numerous other Wikipedians. But Wikipedia is a community! I put it to the user in question that what they are doing is petty vandalism. Jacob1453 20:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

BLP issues

I've removed some of the Buzzcocks text per WP:BLP. Uncited negative comments should not appear here. If such material is to be included it is essential that it is referenced and NPOV. violet/riga (t) 10:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

May I also remind people of the three revert rule which has been broken here already. Continued edit warring over this content will lead to blocks. violet/riga (t) 10:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Protected

Well done, the article has now had to be protected because of this stupidity. The content should not be put back without sources as I have already made clear. Please find sources for this and we can progress with a NPOV, sourced version. violet/riga (t) 11:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The source is the TV program itself?? The last edit you revert seemed neutral and described the facts. What's the problem?? Dvb23

But you are interpreting the actions of others and what happened on the programme. You need to attribute these opinions to people. violet/riga (t) 11:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

violetriga - Seems that Dvb23 last edit is quite reasonable? Fishfinger 11:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

It was a step in the right direction but didn't resolve all the problems. violet/riga (t) 11:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Ultimately, I don't feel the episode is too noteworthy as I don't think it's that large a part of his notoreity. I feel the article should, of course, say that he appeared on the programme with dates and maybe even say something along the lines of "where he behaved erratically, disappearing for some time and lighting a cigarette which led to him being lampooned by the show's panelists." A google search provides no information about his TV appearances which could easily be used as source material, as opposed to a search regarding his stay on celebrity big brother, or even Preston's appearance on Nevermind The Buzzcocks. Petepetepetepete 11:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

From time to time, there is a sad influx of anti-Tourette POV placed on this article by peoples who probably have problems gaining attention from the oposite sex in real life. There is no other way to deal with the trolling than just reverting it an placing a warning tag on the guilty partys talkpage. Dvb23's bad intentions are clear when reviewing the content which he is adding to this article. - The Daddy 03:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

My intentions were to present the facts. If you read through the changes you'll find i initially removed a lot of the childish insults and attempted to "tell it like it was". This got tangled with towers fans, probably like yourself, who keep trying to remove it altogether or re-write history. Please refrain from the childish insults - you know nothing about me. Dvb23 12:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

A quick look at your past contributions would show that although sometimes useful edits have been made, your apparent hatred of Donny Tourette/Towers of London is coming in the way of your usefulness as a wikipedian, and as such you should concentrate on edits where you can remain objective. Your sock puppetry was fairly laughable and previous edits of I'm A Rat and Towers of London to distort Stephen King's quote about them were awful and highly misleading. I am no Towers of London/Donny Tourette fan and the only reason he's on my watchlist is because he was milling about near where I was camped at this years Glastonbury, so please don't think i'm "rewriting history" to suit them. Petepetepetepete 13:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

That's a very odd thing to say. I didn't distort the Steven King quote at all. I just restored the bias to include the other half of it. I don't hate Tourette at all. I'm simply trying to tell it "as it was" in the Buzzcocks episode. Whilst doing this led to seeing how his fans generally only tell one side of the story - his side. The King quote is a classic example. Dvb23

Sources

I've just tried to find some decent sources but the majority are forums or blogs and these are not acceptable as references. I'll keep looking. violet/riga (t) 11:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Here's a start: John Walsh: Tales of the City. violet/riga (t) 11:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Towers of London section neutrality issues

Tourette's dubious accolades include masquerading as a rock star, although several observers have noted his band sound like a pub band or 'group of art students' experiments'. To date, Tourette has attempted to gain tabloid headlines by going to expensive London night clubs and kicking over bins.

This section needs to be rewritten with citations. I have added the weasel words tag. Phreakymonkey 00:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any reason why this was removed:

They have been described as "a joke", amongst other things in the past — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.254.247 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

It was probably removed because it's about as neutral as the Nazis. Anybody else suspicious that 'DeathRocker' is probably Donny Tourette? :) 141.163.84.17 (talk) 01:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

References

Personal Life

I happen to know Donny went to Chalfont Community College, my old school. The source below also states he used to live in Chalfont St Giles during his Big Brother moment, rether he still does or not I can not confirm.

Source - http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/leisure/1105442.oh_brother_donny_tourettes_in_the_house/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.49.106 (talk) 11:06, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

HAVE THE TOWERS OF LONDON FINALLY CALLED IT A DAY..?

Considering their total lack of activity anywhere..

Their myspace page is dormant and hasn't been updated for months.

They have no record deal.

Their members have left and joined other bands publically.

Their official and un-official websites have long closed down.

Their last tour was 7 months ago.

Their last official album was deleted last year and is currently unavailable anywhere.

No sign of their 2010 "tv show"..

Much talk about a "spin off" band.

86.44.107.126 (talk) 10:45, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Possible vandalism?

Most recent edit (2012) states "No longer active in the world of rock 'n roll, Tourette now works as a voluntary community spice-tester." Can someone please:

• confirm this with some references;
• explain what a "voluntary community spice-tester" happens to be.

This sounds too much like some kind of joke. Denis (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:32, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

This article is a mess

Needs sorting out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.52.158 (talk • contribs) 21:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)