Talk:Dominican Republic immigration to Puerto Rico

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So far, this article [as of 17 November 2006 titled: Dominican immigration to Puerto Rico] focuses almost exclusively on the illegal or undocumented Dominican immigration. SamEV 18:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Well is not that DR has suffered consistent Poverty and Crashes after the Fall of trujillo(The Dominican Republic has an actual 9.1% GDP growth)...is that Dominicans Want to Reach the United States not truly Puerto Rico. Most of them that reach the island use it as a mid-way passage to get to the United States where they truly want to be at. Some stay prefering the Tropical, and the better quality of Life Puerto Rico Offers. Some Dominicans Use false paperwork to come to New York or other East Coast cities were Dominican population are big. I think Ya have a lot to add in this ArticleEdwinCasadoBaez 06:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Haitian Immigration to Puerto Rico

Has someone considered to add an article on Haitian migration to Puerto Rico, which has been documented to have been very large towards the end of the Eighteenth Century and Beginning of the Nineteenth Century?

Please tell me what you think, thanks!

Apart from that, this article is listed as "Dominican Immigration to Puerto Rico", and all of a sudden the title shifts to "Dominican Illegal Immigration to Puerto Rico", what's with that?

Is there a presumption that all Dominican immigration to Puerto Rico is illegal? Why doesn't the article place "illegal immigration" as only one of the many themes within the centuries-old immigration relationship between Hispaniola (including the Dominican Republic) and Puerto Rico?

Regards,

Antrop Keen

18:36, June 1st, 2007 (EST)

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION TO PUERTO RICO, JUST ILLEGAL, ISN'T THIS AN UNFAIR AND LIMITED PERSPECTIVE?

Why does this State article change its title to Ilegal Immigration to Puerto Rico rather than including that within the much larger scope of Dominican Immigration to Puerto Rico which is a centuries-old process (legal and illegal) that continues to this day?

Regards,

WIKI EN WIKI

Wiki En Wiki 01:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Significant portion of Dominican immigration to Puerto Rico is legal

Why does this article's title ---and/or the absense of an actual article about the broader immigration topic--- ignore that there is a significant portion of Dominican immigration to Puerto Rico that is legal?

Serapis Alexandria 03:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The reason why SamEV added "illegal" to the title was the lack of information on legal immigration. I do think it should be reverted to the old name, considering there is significant legal immigration into PR from DR. However citations and information would have to be added for both illegal and legal immigration. I do not have that right now but I hope someone reading this does. The best way to format it would simply divide the article into two sections, illegal and legal immigration. Maybe a general info on reasons why Dominicans are immigrating into Puerto Rico. I will try to find some statistics and factual data later. Wikiwiki718 (talk) 23:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't mind a revert to the old name, either, after the necessary rewriting as you described. SamEV (talk) 01:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Help write about legal immigration

Just click on this link and write away! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dominican_immigration_to_Puerto_Rico&action=edit SamEV 04:37, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Illegal immigration from Puerto Rico into the Dominican Republic

I feel what should also be added, does not even need it's own section maybe a mention, is illegal immigration to the Dominican Republic from Puerto Rico. Puerto Ricans also illegally immigrated in very large numbers to the Dominican Republic throughout early and mid 1900s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiwiki718 (talk • contribs) 04:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that claim? SamEV (talk) 22:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I am currently looking for sources but I remember reading during the early to mid 1900's Puerto Rico found itself in an economic slump. Puerto Rico's sugar industry was devastated by two hurricanes in 1899 a year after the United States took control. The island relied on Agriculture at that time. This was prior to Operation Bootstrap when Puerto Rico became industrialized. Also prior to 1917 and Puerto Ricans were not yet citizens of the United States and could not travel without a passport. Conditions were so bad many Puerto Ricans illegally immigrated to the Dominican Republic. Climate, customs, proximity, language, and of course jobs are some of the reasons for this. This was prior to mass migration to New York City in the 1950s, when unemployment again became a widespread problem on the island.

Maybe an entirely new article would be better? Wikiwiki718 (talk) 23:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

If you have enough material for a separate article then that should be the way to go. But other than perhaps making passing mention of Puerto Rican immigration to D.R., there shouldn't be too much on that added to this article, or its rewritten version. SamEV (talk) 01:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Illegal immigration from Puerto Rico to the Dominican Republic was rather brief, the problem as was mentioned above was the lack of a passport due to the change in colonial governments, but considering that this was brief and happened a century ago I would be surprised if enought sources to sustain a article appear. By the way I am renaming this article, opening it to a wider scope, although some rewritting will be needed. - Caribbean~H.Q. 16:31, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Why the rush? Wouldn't it have been better to wait until after the article was rewritten? SamEV (talk) 03:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

It would have made little difference, if the article was rewritten before renaming the "illegal" part in the title would have been misleading. - Caribbean~H.Q. 04:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh come on... The idea was to rename right at that point, with the rewrite. SamEV (talk) 04:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Well there is no real point moving it back now, lets just begin the rewrite, I am currently reorganizing, can you begin developing a section on legal immigration? - Caribbean~H.Q. 04:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I might as well. I far prefer to copyedit articles, not writing or rewriting them, and I was hoping this could have waited till next month. SamEV (talk) 04:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

But I'll start contributing tomorrow, at the earliest. SamEV (talk) 05:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, but other priorities intervened and I decided to Wikibreak; though I am working on material I plan to add to this article as soon as I can. SamEV (talk) 08:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Although I read several sources, I decided to rely almost entirely on Jorge Duany because he doesn't get any of the basic facts wrong and I liked his tone. However, the article remains sketchy, I suppose, as I didn't want to depend on just one source for all the missing essential info. I'll try to contribute more, from a variety of sources, eventually, but I hope so do others. SamEV (talk) 07:17, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Now we are getting a decent article, although I still think the 'illegal inmigration' section needs to be reduced in size, there are some intances of "facts" that are in dire need of references, particulary the one covering supposed videos of victims in TV, Sam are you familiar with this in particular? - Caribbean~H.Q. 07:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I initially thought the illegal immigration section shouldn't even exist. Then I thought it should be reduced to a paragraph or at most two. But it seemed to me that it's all factual, even if most is unsourced, so I left it basically intact. Still, if you want to make big reductions, I have no objection whatsoever. You're probably right in your opinion of it.

No, I'm not familiar with this subject at all. Though after doing this bit of research I'm obviously a little less unfamiliar with it. SamEV (talk) 10:28, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Citation needed.

"It is estimated that significant portions of both islands have some distant ancestry from the other island due to the constant flow between both islands especially in the 18th to mid 20th centuries." Is the statement in question that definitely needs a source, especially the paragraph as a whole. But this in particular. At the very least a "Says who". 2600:1700:8D60:8A50:8C52:8435:8E93:A13 (talk) 04:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)