Talk:Domenico Gabrielli

Latest comment: 5 years ago by JBritnell in topic Alternative birthdates

Works, editions and recordings edit

It appears that there are at least 3 sonatas for violoncello and basso continuo by Domenico Gabrielli. See for instance the following recordings: MusicWeb CD review, MusicBrainz release information. --Shutterfreak (talk) 10:57, 27 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Attribution of Gabrielli's nickname edit

This is in response to @Future Perfect at Sunrise: who deleted my edit with the following comment:

. (sorry, but actually that reference to the nickname on the manuscript is an addition by a later librarian, so it's not quite correct to say it's "attested in the manuscript") 

I am fully aware that the inscription in the ms. to the Ricercari is in a later hand. My edit was intended to show that the wording [which appears on the cover page directly facing f. 1r of the ms.] attests to the existence version of the nickname, "Mingain", which it does. This is not to say that it proves that Gabrielli's contemporaries called him this, for which I hope someone will eventually also be able to add a citation, but just to say that this nickname existed at all, at least as far back as the time that the inscription was added, which I would estimate is before the middle of the nineteenth century. I have no personal stake in whether this comment appears in the article, but as it stood, the article simply reiterated the unsupported claims of later (nineteenth- and early twentieth-century) secondary lirature without even citing those sources.--HenryPurcell (talk) 04:28, 4 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

I see what you mean, but still, the inscription really doesn't do anything different from what the references in the modern secondary literature do: it claims that he had that nickname, without providing further sources or background. Incidentally, I do think it's from about the mid-19th century (as is the main title inscription on the same page to which it was subsequently added), but that's a bit speculative of course. For what it's worth, this [1] modern work at least cites a primary contemporary source attesting to the use of "Minghino", though not in the combination with "dal violoncello" or variants thereof. This [2] has a reference to a contemporary chronicle calling him "Minghino dal Violoncello"; that's probably about as good as we're going to get. This [3] might also be pertinent. This [4] book unfortunately misreads the handwritten inscription, quoting it as "Gabrielli un detto..."; it should evidently be "Gabrielli era detto...". Fut.Perf. 16:14, 4 July 2017 (UTC)Reply


Alternative birthdates edit

Does anyone know anything about the disputed birthdate? Of course it's not Wikipedia's job to clear this up, but it would be nice to say something about the problem. (It seems very strange to be presented with two specific dates, more than 8 years apart.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JBritnell (talkcontribs) 00:31, 31 May 2018 (UTC)Reply