Talk:Dom Pérignon (monk)

Thoughts on assessments

This one seems like a borderline B, leaning more towards start. Extra opinions would be helpful. The two glaring areas are the weak lead and the tiny biography section for an article that is, essentially a biography. Truth be told, there is not much biographical information about the Dom but maybe some of the influence section can be merged in while still maintaining a separate section. While we would want to avoid a trivia section, having a prose paragraph about the Dom's influence in popular culture should have a place in the article. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 23:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Some New Bibliography Ideas

I've started doing some research on Dom and his influence as well as the science behind his innovations. Any feedback on these sources i've started working on?

Fetter, Richard L. Dom Perignon: Man and Myth. N.p.: Fetters Pubns, n.d. Print. Gandilon, Renee. "Naissance Du Champagne: Dom Pierre Pérignon." The Economic History Review 22.3 (1969): 610. JSTOR. Web. 8 Feb. 2014. <http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.2307/2594186?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=dom&searchText=perignon&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Ddom%2Bperignon%2B%26amp%3Bacc%3Don%26amp%3Bwc%3Don%26amp%3Bfc%3Doff>. Guy, Kolleen M. ""Oiling the Wheels of Social Life": Myths and Marketing in Champagne during the Belle Epoque." French Historical Studies 22.2 (1999): 211-39. JSTOR. Web. 10 Feb. 2014. <http://www.jstor.org/stable/286747?seq=17&Search=yes&searchText=perignon&searchText=monk&searchText=dom&list=show&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Ddom%2Bperignon%2Bmonk%26amp%3Bprq%3Ddom%2Bperignon%26amp%3Bhp%3D25%26amp%3Bacc%3Don%26amp%3Bwc%3Don%26amp%3Bfc%3Doff%26amp%3Bso%3Drel%26amp%3Bracc%3Doff&prevSearch=&resultsServiceName=null>. Knoll, Alfred P. "Champagne." The International and Comparative Law Quarterly 19.2 (1970): 309-16. JSTOR. Web. 15 Feb. 2014. <http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.2307/758213?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=dom&searchText=perignon&searchText=monk&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Ddom%2Bperignon%2Bmonk%26amp%3Bprq%3Ddom%2Bperignon%26amp%3Bhp%3D25%26amp%3Bacc%3Don%26amp%3Bwc%3Don%26amp%3Bfc%3Doff%26amp%3Bso%3Drel%26amp%3Bracc%3Doff>. Ludwig, David, George L. Watt, Richard Blum, and Peter Sichel. "A Lawyer's Look at Wine." American Bar Association Journal 60.11 (1974): 1382-387. JSTOR. Web. 13 Feb. 2014. <http://www.jstor.org/stable/25726950?seq=8&Search=yes&searchText=perignon&searchText=monk&searchText=dom&list=show&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Ddom%2Bperignon%2Bmonk%26amp%3Bprq%3Ddom%2Bperignon%26amp%3Bhp%3D25%26amp%3Bacc%3Don%26amp%3Bwc%3Don%26amp%3Bfc%3Doff%26amp%3Bso%3Drel%26amp%3Bracc%3Doff&prevSearch=&resultsServiceName=null>. McFee, Michael. "Champagne." Poetry 166.5 (1995): 261. JSTOR. Web. 11 Feb. 2014. <http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.2307/20604514?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=dom&searchText=perignon&searchText=monk&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Ddom%2Bperignon%2Bmonk%26amp%3Bprq%3Ddom%2Bperignon%26amp%3Bhp%3D25%26amp%3Bacc%3Don%26amp%3Bwc%3Don%26amp%3Bfc%3Doff%26amp%3Bso%3Drel%26amp%3Bracc%3Doff>. Down6263 (talk) 17:18, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Date of death

We show 14 September, as do some other sources. But some of the other Wikipedias, notably the French, have him dying on 24 September.

This 10-day discrepancy cannot be explained by the fact that not all countries were then using the Gregorian calendar, because the gap between it and the Julian was by then 11 days. (And even if that were the explanation, he died in France, which was using the Gregorian, so the Julian should not have come into it.)

So, can we get something authoritative to confirm which of the two dates is correct? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

His gravestone seems to suggest 14 September (...PER ANNOS QUADRAGINTA SEPTEM ...), but my Latin is very rusty so that may be a red herring. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

(sheepishly) As indeed it is: Quadraginta septem means "forty seven", not "14 September". But I wonder if this had anything to do with the cause of the discrepancy ??? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:55, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

I hope ya all dont mind, i went ahead and roughly translated it, using Google translate.. on the Latin setting. Roughly it's: Here lies Dom Pierre Perignon.. thus managed? for 47yrs.. (yes, do the math 1668 + 47 = 1715. voila!!) this winery/cellar, with the utmost care regard being administrated. That w/ ? his Father's virtues, especially/as well as his love of the poor, died at the age of 77. In the year 1715. Rest recline? in peace. (please edit, etc, rewrite as you wish, thx) 2602:304:CDAF:A3D0:A852:68DC:8BF5:3CC (talk) 05:54, 30 March 2017 (UTC)