Talk:Doge (meme)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Seriously

Seriously Wikipedia, there are places for articles like this. There's Know your meme and/or Encyclopedia Dramatica. This meme isn't even relevant, this page is here just to be 'phat' with the stupid 12-years-old kids. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.163.250.99 (talk) 04:39, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Seriously Anonymous, Popular memes are cultural phenomena that deserve coverage in its own merit. Now, had I knew that KnowYourMeme is here to stay I would have to agree with you, but this is not the case. As for "Encyclopedia Dramatice", although an internet phenomenon itself, it can not be assumed to be serious on any sane level. Zarnivop (talk) 08:57, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

If you think that this isn't notable, then try WP:AFD and see how it goes. I note that there are {{merge}} and {{notability}} tags, so you are apparently not the only one who questions whether this is notable or not. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:49, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't a WP:PROD be more reasonable first? ZappaOMati 21:55, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

WP:PROD is not useful if people are opposing deletion (as User:Zarnivop seems to do) as someone simply will remove the "PROD" template. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:55, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Declared top meme for 2013

The article states 'On December 13, Doge was declared Know Your Meme's "top meme for 2013" by NBC News.' It was declared top meme by KYM editors, not by NBC news, NBC merely wrote an article about KYM's choice.. Citation shouldn't be NBC either, it should be the KYM top memes article. http://knowyourmeme.com/blog/meme-review/best-memes-of-2013-editorial-choices — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.3.222 (talk)

I added that NBC source, because it is secondary. After reading the article, I checked KYM, which stated that the entry for Doge had been deadpooled or the submission was not ready, or some such. This meme is widely used, and even the old media are captivated by it, with some outlets claiming that Doge-speak is the new lolcat-speak. Westin D^odger 20:59, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

A story of the doge dog.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/31/5248762/doge-meme-rescue-dog-wow

This will be very useful. ViperSnake151  Talk  23:14, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Already posted above.—CycloneIsaac–E-Mail 23:28, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I was being serious

Really, why give this an article when there are thousands of other maymays out there that entire novels could be written about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.220.2.155 (talk) 02:18, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

WP:Other stuff exists, that's why. ZappaOMati 03:53, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

• When someone is calling a meme "maymays", you know they're trolling. A shame the protection guidelines frowns on indefinite talkpage protection... Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 07:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

• Well, Talk:Justin Bieber is the only page that I know of that's indef semi, though the talk page vandalism there is even more ridiculous. ZappaOMati 14:37, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Doge picture

The picture used in the article originates from this blog: http://kabosu112.exblog.jp/9944144/ Though cropped and manipulated to make the dog look fatter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.189.110 (talk) 12:29, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

It's an image on commons. Perhaps you should alert them. Dlohcierekim 13:36, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

At the time of the original post, there was a different image there than we have "now". DMacks (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

This should be added to the article Shiba Inu, and not be its own article. Hotelmason241 (talk) 04:41, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Except this page would be simply too trivial to be mentioned on the page. ZappaOMati 02:01, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Why was the original image deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.67.165.148 (talk) 10:33, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Doge Meme

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:A60:120D:E01:4DAD:C5D1:AD1A:E2A6 (talk) 16:18, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

delete this pleease

not notable — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:7:5380:664:E4A6:3A64:7F28:48B8 (talk) 08:36, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Really? Doge is well notable enough to have its own article, like other famous memes. ~WikiRigby ^talk _sign! 13:16, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Are you seeing a lack of references? Not enough real-world impact? If so, you can still offer your ideas here on the talk page even though the article itself is seme-protected. Supernerd11 :D Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 13:20, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Doge Car

The Nascar dogecoin car seems like a significant development that ought to be added to the article71.50.0.71 (talk) 21:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC), just putting that out there.

It's already on Dogecoin, which seems like a better place to mention it. ZappaOMati 22:30, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

really

why is this actually a page? 11-22-2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.51.77 (talk) 04:51, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Why not? Zappa24Mati 05:05, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Doge (meme)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Freikorp (talk · contribs) 04:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

I will review later today. Freikorp (talk) 04:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   Half the references use 'publisher' and the other half use 'work'. Also why are some work/publishers wikilinked and others not? Consistency is needed at both of these points.

The ones which have such pages are now wikilinked '''tAD''' (talk) 07:03, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

1. B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   Keith Wagstaff reference is dead. Find a mirror or an archive.

Done '''tAD''' (talk) 07:07, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

1. Sato, Atsuko source may not back up that this is where the female Shiba Inu was first pictured, or where the images are taken from, rather it just seems to be the actual first post itself (which may not confirm that it itself is the origin), please confirm.

Links within reliable sources confirm this is the real "doge", but this blog itself is better as an external link

1. What makes The Bark Post a reliable source?

Nothing. The point it was "proving" in the lead is backed up in the body by better sources, thus I removed it

1. C. No original research:

   Google trends data should have a non-primary source. 'The Bark Post' source backs it up, but i'm still looking into whether or not that source meets WP:RS.

Source replaced '''tAD''' (talk) 07:38, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

1. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

2. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

3. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

4. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

5. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Placing on hold until issues are addressed. I made several minor fixes; feel free to revert and instead discuss the changes with me. Freikorp (talk) 06:21, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Well done. I'm passing this now. Freikorp (talk) 07:49, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2016

I would like to add android games inspired by this meme to the reference section. The link is as follows

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.hateful.dogespikes

It has been on 9gag and other meme sites lately and trending. Limpfro (talk) 03:08, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done: establish the notability of the games per reliable sources. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 17:44, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Is the original picture offensive?

If you look closely, the featured original Doge meme is a rape joke ("Keep ur hands away from me," and spelling our rape right above that). If we can agree that comparing rape to petting a dog is offensive to victims of sexual assault, consider replacing it with the original, uncaptioned picture, or a suitable alternative Doge picture to follow content guidelines on offensive material. The uncaptioned picture would constitute an unoffensive, suitable alternative to the current one, if the origin of the meme is considered most relevant to the article. However, if simply illustrating the meme is more important, featuring an alternatively-captioned photo wouldn't detract from the information or relevancy than the original Doge meme caption. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.206.137.164 (talk) 05:26, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

What you call the "original, uncaptioned photo" is not a doge, it is a woman's photograph of her dog. Your alternative of something to do with a birthday has no widespread notability as a doge meme. This exact image, as the original, has been shared on lots of websites, including the Huffington Post which in no way could be considered pro-rape. Wikipedia will not kowtow to social justice bullies '''tAD''' (talk) 10:21, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Right, but the woman's photograph of her dog is the picture that ultimately became the doge meme, which is perfectly relevant to the doge meme article. And the meme itself features that photo (or dog of the same breed), plus colorful comic sans captions featuring key phases ("Wow") and written in a distinctive, ungrammatical style. That is the essence of this meme, and the example I gave captures that. (and it's certainly not the only example one could use). The question isn't whether other websites featured this photo, it's whether or not this photo is offensive. On that same vein, referring to me as a troll or social justice bully doesn't address the point or further the discussion. Please address me civilly or not at all.

I'm not going to take any sides here, just noting two points. The original meme (regardless of whether it's offensive or not, or whether we chose to include it) is significant, well, because that's what started it all. But it's not a very typical example. There are other doge memes that better exemplify the phenomenon. Uanfala (talk) 19:33, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2017

Brian tamayao (talk) 21:14, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — IVORK _Discuss 22:20, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 4 August 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Start a new RM for Doge (disambiguation) if you wish. (non-admin closure) feminist 09:29, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

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• Doge (meme) → Doge
• Doge → Doge (leader)

– A clear case of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC– the meme has ten times as many pageviews as the type of leader. As for long-term signifcance, the meme is four years old and doesn't show any signs of being a passing fad/fading in significance, so it appears to pass both of the primary topic criteria. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 17:43, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• Move Doge (disambiguation) → Doge – I don't think page views matter in this case. The dab page should be the main page instead. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:59:387D:CA0F:9F84 (talk) 19:02, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: Not a fan of "leader" as disambiguation if this page is moved. Lots of people could be leaders. "Ruler" or "official" would be better if going for a title, although I think "Italy" might also work (even if it is slightly ahistoric, since "Italy" didn't exist at the time). SnowFire (talk) 02:37, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'm not a fan of Doge (Italy) because as you say it's anachronistic. Doge (Italian leader) may be better, as it doesn't imply the existence of an Italian state at that point in time. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 21:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
• Comment. I'm not sure four years is quite the scale on which long-term significance is judged. – Uanfala 09:13, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: Well, I don't think there's a precise policy on what length of time is required for long-term significance, but as far as I'm concerned, four years is enough to prove that the meme is not just a brief fad. It's long enough to show that the Italian leader is clearly no longer the primary topic. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 21:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
• Strong oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC : A topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term.. This is an encyclopedia; book search for "Doge was" shows that Doge means the ruler of Venice, not a gif of a Shiba Inu dog looking bemused. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:21, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: Relying solely on usage in published books to determine the primary topic is a bad idea in my opinion, as it excludes lots of other forms of media (e.g. newspapers, social media). Given that the Shiba Inu dog has overwhelmingly more usage in both Wikipedia pageviews and google search results (only 2 of the top 50 google search results for "doge" are about the leader!), I struggle to see how anyone could think that something else is the primary topic! Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 21:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Chessrat "I struggle to see how anyone could think that something else is the primary topic!" - then that's a problem. This is an encyclopedia not a fun blog, it is here to increase knowledge promote reading and information. Here's what we're modelling the project on: https://www.britannica.com/topic/doge Just as Paris is the capital of France not a certain blonde so in the serious world of books and information Doge is not a Shiba Inu meme. enjoy this. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:25, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Extended content

Just a note that if this page results in a move I intend to initiate a Move review arguing that template should have been placed on the Talk:Doge page. Placing it here basically advertises it to anyone coming to see the Shibu inu meme article and invites coming to the Talk page to vote!. The proposal template is WP:MALPLACED and as such should void vote-counting of the discussion here. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:28, 5 August 2017 (UTC) This is a moot point as the article Doge (meme) Doge already has at its top a notice of this discussion. – Uanfala 13:30, 5 August 2017 (UTC) Ah I see, you mean Doge has such a notice too. Evidently that comes with template change,. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:51, 5 August 2017 (UTC) Ooops, corrected the link now. But yes, this is a relatively recent thing: RMCD bot started putting these notices a few months ago. – Uanfala 14:25, 5 August 2017 (UTC) It took me a while to notice it too, In ictu oculi, and I've been meaning to congratulate the botmaster on the change. I only noticed it myself when about to relist what would previously have been a malformed multi-move, only to find that the required notice on the target page was already there and I could instead assess consensus to move. This has happened to me several times now so it's a productive change. But I'm comforted to see at least one other old hand also surprised by it. Andrewa (talk) 08:11, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose any moves per User:In ictu oculi. If this is a trick to get me to give up on Wikipedia, it might be working. If not, please get up from behind your computer, change out of your pyjamas and... nevermind. —  AjaxSmack  03:11, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'm not sure how WP:WIAE is relevant to this move discussion, and the rest of your message appears to be a thinly-veiled appeal to emotion. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 21:40, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
    • It was not so much an appeal to emotion as an emotional outburst. I did not really expect much sympathy for my rather rude comments. But if other editors do not find value in Wikipedia as serious, high-quality encyclopedia, then there's not much else I can say. —  AjaxSmack  02:41, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
      • I feel exactly the same way. But the good guys seem likely to win this one, and if NYRM2016 didn't shake my faith in Wikipedia I doubt anything will. I could be wrong. Andrewa (talk) 08:23, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose I might support a move of a disambiguation page to Doge but that should be a separate proposal. Power~enwiki (talk) 02:48, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. A classic example of the problem with page views, and assuming this RM fails as it should I will add it to that page. Of course an Internet meme gets lots of page views on the Internet!!! That proves absolutely nothing in terms of primary topic, and if the guideline doesn't make that clear then there's a problem with the guideline. Andrewa (talk) 08:23, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

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Article Evaluation

The talk page of the "doge" meme article was extremely interesting and a lot more tense than expected. I originally expected very little to be said beyond corrections. However, there was a full-fledged debate going on about whether or not the meme deserved a Wikipedia page at all. Many claimed that memes were not notable enough to have any place in Wikipedia. It lacked importance and deserved deletion among the Wikipedia pages. They claimed that it was "stupid" and would not be remembered within a few months time. However, most people disagreed. Most people argued that as a meme, it has a valuable and notable influence on modern culture. They claimed that the people who wanted it deleted just did not like the meme at all. They cited the article that placed the "doge" meme in the top fifty most influential images of the year 2013. Many argued that the article deserved a place due to it being meme which is considered a "cultural phenomena." Alexandr.borchard (talk) 04:20, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

It's a Good Article, so it's here to stay. (I was going to close this as this is a personal essay, but it's apparently something for a class. Moving on).Nova Crystallis (Talk) 04:52, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Pronunciation

What reference is there for the pronunciation? Just the Homestar Runner video? What may seem like a non-issue to the author of this wiki page is something hotly contested elsewhere on the internet and really isn't conclusive. For example, in a reddit thread from the beginning of December (http://www.reddit.com/r/doge/comments/1rnc8x/wow_such_confused_much_pronunciation_wow/) as of this second the top comment has 91 upvotes for dogue and the second-top has 83 for dohj. Also, a survey from this slate article (http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/11/15/doge_pronunciation_how_do_you_pronounce_the_name_of_the_shibe_doge_meme.html) from the middle of November has dohj in the lead with ~36% of the vote and dogue in second with ~34%. This goes to show that the pronunciation is not unambiguous and there should be some discretion in the description. Especially considering that this is a page for informational purposes it would be noteworthy that the pronunciation is really a fluid and non-standard thing. As John Simpson, the chief editor of the Oxford English Dictionary said, "A coiner effectively loses control of a word once it's out there." "For instance, the coiner of quark in the physics sense had intended it to rhyme with cork, but general usage has resulted in it rhyming with mark." So regardless of the supposed origin of the word used in this meme, which also is not entirely certain, credence should be given to divergent and perhaps even predominant alternate pronunciations that are prevalent on the internet. BJ Crowning (talk) 20:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Please note that The spelling of doge has several variants, leading to debate on its actual pronunciation. is written in the article, with 2 references. Soulbust (talk) 10:30, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I made the post on Tumblr which forms the popular basis of the meme back in 2012 and I got it from the Homestar video so I will tell anyone that it's dohj but like... due to Tumblr's absurd mutability of attribution and the fact that my friend Max holds the "leonsumbitches" URL that was associated with the post it's kind of a moot point. Something as widespread and surprisingly multi-faceted will never have agreement on something like this -Mattgcn (talk) 06:34, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Since this article is semi-protected, I will ask in this discussion if my concern for Doge pronunciation is shared by any senior members. The very first line of this page already states the controversy behind the pronunciation of this word, so in the interest of addressing the controversy, I propose we create a subsection for this meme entitled "Pronunciation" where we can list the difference in pronunciation by region and tidy this article up a bit:

North America:

The pronounciation of the word "Doge" is typically pronounced /ˈdoʊdʒ/ dohj or /ˈdoʊɡ/ dohg in North America, and less commonly /ˈdɒɡi/ dog-ee, /ˈdɒɡeɪ/ dog-ay, /ˈdoʊɡeɪ/ dohg-ay, /ˈdɒɡ/ dog, or /'doʊʒ/ dohge (like beige). The origin of the misspelled meme traces back to an episode of Homestar Runner where Strong Bad pronounces Doge /ˈdoʊdʒ/ dohj. Despite the origins, the contemporary usage of Doge still varies, typically pronounced either /ˈdoʊɡ/ dohg as the "Do" in "Dough" and "gue" in "Vogue", or alternatively /ˈdoʊdʒ/ dohj as the "Doj" in "Dojo". Similarly, the pronunciation of "Dogecoin" follows the same variation found in either /ˈdoʊdʒ/ dohj or /ˈdoʊɡ/ dohg. Pa7iCake (talk) 05:14, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I do not get why so many people can't figure this out. HR properly pronounces, then misspells the word "dog" in the cited video. SB has an established history of pronouncing words as they are (mis)spelled in emails; it's part of his character/routine. He does this in many, many "sbemail" episodes and does not incorporate these words into his vocabulary. The word is "dog." It's spelled D-O-G. HR misspells it once, prompting SB to tease him by making up a new word, "doge," and clearly speaking it as "dohj." There are only two possible "correct" ways to say the word: "dog," as HR says, or "dohj," as SB says. Your choice depends on whether you think HR or SB is correct. All those other variations are people who don't follow HR or understand the origin of the meme trying to fill in the blanks from what they know of language, which is inappropriate given that we know the origin of this meme. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.179.125.170 (talk) 13:59, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

References

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Unreferenced picture caption

There’s a figure caption that reads

> An example of a post-modern doge meme, relating to Wikipedia.

And there’s no reference to back the “post-modern” part. It should be remove, so the caption reads

> An example of a doge meme, relating to Wikipedia.

Juanmeleiro (talk) 11:50, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

It should be noted the image in question is currently nominated for deletion. Damien Linnane (talk) 12:15, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done – Þjarkur (talk) 12:40, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

I've deleted the image since it's a clear copyright violation anyway. Damien Linnane (talk) 15:50, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Original meme removed

Apparently the original was removed? Why? It's a clear example of fair use. 2600:1700:C541:64D0:9C58:BFA1:CBB3:E8F3 (talk) 21:17, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

It was just the action of a lone editor who doesn't appear to understand the concept of fair use. It's already been reverted. Don't worry about it. Damien Linnane (talk) 00:59, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect Reference To Death Of Kabosu

The final line in the "Origin and Pronunciation" section reads "She died in April 2019." with no reference. When looking at the blog listed in Kabosu's references, http://kabochan.blog.jp/, it is easy to see that Kabosu is still alive and well. The reference to an April death should be removed as it is not factual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inagi787 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2019

I would like to add a piece about the resurgences of doge memes in late 2018 to early 2019 Beefcakes12 (talk) 15:23, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 15:41, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Origin

Article says it (debatable) started on Tumblr. Pictures of dogs with the "wow x, such x, much x, very x" theme have been posted on 4chan for years. No way in hell did it start on Tumblr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.27.207 (talk) 13:49, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Here's a much detailed article about Doge.—CycloneIsaac–E-Mail 15:58, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

"Doge" is the Japanese pronunciation for the English word: "dog". It is written in katakana as ドグ (pronounced: DoGe). This origin would seem to be much more likely, since it predates all uses of the meme. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.163.20.250 (talk) 21:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Isn't it doggu (ドッグ)? JosJuice (talk) 07:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

dogu (ドグ) is DoGu, not DoGe. Plus, the Japanese pronunciation of "dog" is not "Doge" 182.252.156.76 (talk) 15:08, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't the resurgence of the meme be credited to the image sharing app, "Ifunny"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SammualWoodward (talk • contribs) 00:37, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Ironic Doge Memes

The mentioned 2019 revival of Doge memes has taken a different form from the original form. I just feel like it should be mentioned in greater detail on the page. Baggtot (talk) 14:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2019

Change age 13 to age 15.

Doge is turning 15 today, it states that he is 13. Such wow. Much edit. DogeIsBestDog (talk) 21:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 22:02, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

A source shouldn't be needed if the age is already in the article, especially with a full date of birth 173.25.9.170 (talk) 03:33, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

The article states he is 14 (born on November 2, 2005). A reliable source would be required to change the age or date of birth, like the original editor requested. NiciVampireHeart 03:54, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

boi meme

the boi meme is a meme of a guy saying the word boi it is a funny meme from 2014 and i love it you can find this meme on you tube/the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.42.138.243 (talk) 17:17, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2020

Gabriele Cirulli invented 2048 on March 9 2014. Tiny Mammals made a Doge (meme) edition of 2048. BananaOceania (talk) 17:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:53, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2019

I would like to add information about the modern ironic use of the doge meme since there has been a resurgence in its use, but with a completely different format. examples of the new use of the meme can be found on https://www.reddit.com/r/dogelore/ Please add a new a new contents tab titled "Modern use" and the following text to said tab:

In 2018 Doge felt a renaissance in the form of dogelore. The format of dogelore focuses on Doge, the main character, and many other characters derived from edits of Doge and other memes such as Karen. Dogelore memes often revolve around a short story line or a nonsensical punchline, usually over the course of one to four panels, and are meant to be taken with irony and are using the original meme's outdated nature to its advantage. Most of dogelore's original content is posted on the dedicated subreddit, r/dogelore. Elia maractelli (talk) 18:56, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

References

​It appears this hasn't been reported in reliable secondary sources yet. We can add this in when secondary sources discuss it. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:13, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

​ Can we add this now? I feel like it's relevant enough to mention here now. – User:The Cyber Patriot (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@The Cyber Patriot: Nothing is getting added without reliable secondary coverage, regardless of how relevant anyone thinks they are. If you find sources, then we can talk about adding it, but not before. Damien Linnane (talk) 23:18, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2020

There is bad grammar in one section in this article. It is supposed to say "incorparated the meme into the project logo", and not "into project logo". That doesn't make any sense. 74.105.31.217 (talk) 21:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done WP:MINOR. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 22:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

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Rape Joke in the "original" image

I don't think that image is the original. That and the fact that it is clearly stated as a rape joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheForgottenKing (talk • contribs) 17:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm sympathetic to the fact that it may not be the original, as it's not captioned as such on the link [1], which is user-generated. But what evidence is there to say any other doge meme was the first? Also please don't upload images that you didn't take yourself unless you declare that you don't own the copyright. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Request removal of reference to inclusion in top ten lists

Listicles aren't journalism, they are entertainment. As such, they shouldn't be used as sources in a wikipedia article regardless of the publishing organization. 24.96.181.43 (talk) 01:50, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2020

Please approve my publish request because i have most important information about cheems dog — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.207.195.150 (talk) 16:53, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because it is about a meme — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.120.12 (talk) 04:28, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

It also seems that the only people who want this merged/deleted are simply people who hate it as a meme. I've never seen an article be scheduled for deletion so quickly. --ZeroShootman (talk) 03:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Sadly there has always been an unyielding core of socially crippled curmudgeons on wikipedia who are militantly opposed to anything they perceive as legitimizing internet culture. Click their edit history and you'll often see that they'll happily expend hundreds of hours adding to articles on obscure Warhammer products or Star Wars novels, but internet memes that have been covered by the New Yorker, Salon, Huffington Post, and the Wall Street Journal are ruining their life by having wikipedia articles. Watch, they'll probably delete my comment just for pointing out this fact. 76.118.92.242 (talk) 18:41, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

This toss completely fails WP:NOTABLE. Nobody will care about this in 6 month's time, or even remember it. When people refer to this as 'internet culture' I lose the will to live. --Ef80 (talk) 21:51, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Quite possibly – but part of our role is to remember it for them, wholesale. Notability isn't transitory and if it made it once, it's within our encyclopedic remit to record it. All your base, Hamster dance and Westboro baptist church are all part of this.

Also, if dogecoin were to become significant, then doge becomes backstory. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:51, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

@Ef80:, may I suggest reading WP:NOTTEMPORARY? ZappaOMati 22:46, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

The last 7 years have proven you wrong. Glad that doge has survived and thrived. 71.244.147.121 (talk) 17:02, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I take the point, but I still think this is transitory trivia. --Ef80 (talk) 13:56, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree, it should be deleted. It is extremely trivial and wont mean a thing in a few years. I hadn't heard of it until I saw it on the front page. Also, it might have loads of references, but the references are very much of that time and most of them are buzzfeed or fluff pieces to attract views to the page. These type of articles don't hold any real world importance. Saying the meme was sent round the internet virally in reference to Weird Al's song about bad grammar shouldn't have an article Novalia (talk) 10:00, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Keep in mind that notability is not temporary, and just because you never heard of it doesn't mean it should be deleted. Zappa24Mati 21:47, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

• That, and people have been demanding its deletion simply because they don't like it for 18 months now. Novalia, just because you don't like memes doesn't make them non-notable. Doge is clearly notable, and anyone saying otherwise is, at best, willfully blind. Granted, it's faded away now, but that's hardly uncommon. The article survived every attempt at deletion simply due to its notability. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:57, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

• Doge has now faded into such obscurity that it is being used in a safety video for an international airline. [2] It's pretty clear that it passes notability. '''tAD''' (talk) 15:40, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2020

Under "Culture deciptions" add: In March 2014, a Newfoundland & Labrador developer named Gregory Pike created a Chrome-based ad blocker extension which featured variations of the doge meme. On each page load every ad on the page would be replaced by a funny doge image. Even though the ad blocker was eventually removed from the Chrome Web Store the full collections of ad-replacement images can still be found on Imgur.

Sources: [3][4][5] Grevory (talk) 00:39, 6 October 2020 (UTC)\

Not done. None of those three sources satisfy the minimum requirements at WP:Reliable sources. Damien Linnane (talk) 01:30, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Note: Grevory attempted to delete the reply to his request (see here: [6]), then he tried to mark it as unanswered with this edit days later: [7]. Damien Linnane (talk) 05:28, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2021

Doge died in 2019 and the gender is a male. Ckr dolt (talk) 06:01, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 06:11, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Updates made

User Ckr dolt made the changes mentioned above, and they appear to be unsupported by the existing sources. Reverting the change over two revisions would be very challenging without rollbacker rights. If someone has the relevant rights, mind undoing the recent changes or editing them to conform with the existing sources? Suriname0 (talk) 14:50, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:56, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2021

The origin incorrectly attributes Doge to a 2005 homestar runner puppet series episode. While it was homestar runner it was a Jan 2004 episode of strong bad email #94 "Video Games". 2601:449:C000:7CF0:89AD:D62:ABBD:4498 (talk) 16:36, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Additionally, while this would be original research, I watched the episode in question and didn't see or hear any mention of "doge" Vahurzpu (talk) 23:09, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2021

In the example of doge's speech patterns, it is noted that the doge's phrases only use first words in incorrect ways, i.e. "much respect", but then immediately provides an example of using such a word in a correct way, "so noble". I propose per the rules of a semi-protected edit request that the words "so noble" be changed to "such noble". 2603:6080:D800:D956:5C63:D35A:44F2:37AA (talk) 09:50, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: That section is about incorrect doge usage, specifically because the text is correct. uses the doge modifiers but is not "proper" doge because the modifiers are used in a formally correct fashion; the doge version would be "Much noble, so respect." ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:24, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2021

At Doge_(meme)#Origin_and_pronunciation, there is a "Born" column in the infobox that need citation. The needed information can be found from the blog of the owner, which was listed at the bottom of the same infobox. From the homepage of the blog, there is a column at the right side named "家族の紹介", which means "Family introduction" in English. The first introduced pet is the dog we need, and the statement "誕生日は11月2日。" in the introduction clearly points out the dog in the original meme was born on 2 September. Such statement could be translated and checked via Google translation. I want the reference be added to the "Born" column and remove "citation needed" tag. Paul.L (talk) 17:05, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Blogs are not considered reliable sources Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:05, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect claim for resurgence in popularity

"Toward the end of the decade and the beginning of the 2020s, the meme saw a resurgence in popularity due primarily to its association with Dogecoin..." is incorrect.

It became popular again because of OkBuddyRetard, not Dogecoin. dogecoin did not become popular again until 2020, and okbuddyretard was making doge memes in 2017 and 2018. (info here and here). — Preceding unsigned comment added by PastelButterfly (talk • contribs) 20:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2021

Please change the phrase "...the meme saw a resurgence in popularity due primarily to its association with Dogecoin..." to something like "...the meme saw a resurgence in popularity.", possibly adding in something like "that was boosted by the comeback of Dogecoin in 2020.

While doge did get mainstream attention because of dogecoin, it was already popular from a comeback in 2017-2018 from memes in subreddits like okbuddyretard. Okbuddyretard's name comes from a doge meme, and doge memes were so popular that a spinoff subreddit called dogelore was created by kirbizia, the person who made okbuddyretard.

Dogecoin did not become popular again until 2020 and it would not have happened without the ironic memes. It's false to say the resurgence is primarily because of dogecoin.

PastelButterfly2 (talk) 22:49, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:03, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

NOTE: Look at the part where it says "Dogecoin did not become popular again until 2020" and reconsider. It did not say sources should be included in the article. They support why attributing Doge's comeback to Dogecoin should be removed. Furthermore, there isn't a source for this false claim whereas I have provided references.

PastelButterfly2 (talk) 22:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: The changes you're requesting are essentially the same as the text already reads. It does not attribute the meme's resurgence entirely to its association with Dogecoin, only primarily. ––FormalDude talk 23:10, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

References

Doge’s Age

Happy Birthday doge! The age of doge needs to be changed to 16

rather then being 15th as the her birthday already passed in Japan’s timezone 2600:1700:E881:3AC0:1069:9D57:B9A9:8EC3 (talk) 16:54, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: It should update automatically. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:01, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2022

Add redirect: "For the cryptocurrency named after meme, see Dogecoin." Billyfu33 (talk) 16:07, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: I don't think anyone is going to reasonably mistake the meme article with the article on a cryptocurrency. The cryptocurrency is already mentioned in the article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:15, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 26 December 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW, and WP:SOCKSTRIKE on OP. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 14:18, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

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Doge (meme) → Doge (internet meme) – The article for meme is about an idea passed on from one person to another. The article about internet meme is about memes like this one. こもれびーさん_{Leave me a message!} 19:18, 26 December 2022 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE – robertsky (talk) 14:17, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Oppose don't think we need to be this specific when there is no other type of meme about Doge. Soulbust (talk) 21:09, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Oppose is there a non-internet doge meme?—blindlynx 21:37, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Oppose as completely unnecessary. Damien Linnane (talk) 00:46, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2023

The original Doge dog beat the leukaemia and is still alive to this day.

Source: the dogs owners Instagram page with an update as of 2 hours ago.

https://instagram.com/kabosumama?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= 184.145.66.34 (talk) 01:08, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

"Unknown if temporary or permanent"

diff No, I think it's quite well enough known which, such that it doesn't even need saying. That sort of "we just don't know" pleading is common on fan wikis, but doesn't need to be imported here. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 03:49, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2023

Doge has not passed she is 17 and is being blogged about as recently as the 14th of august 2023 https://kabochan.blog.jp/?fbclid=PAAaZZ4y5mutqmdgeKJWdFqwRw3vxB14cw7p4giVupL1rr72molYRJ_d_YWSs_aem_AXo9XRx2Kj1wWKFoGg8zd0dgX2BmWn2hYIkzma61nGsLfsLuQwp-P77dOe2ycKWN2Qk

The dog who passed that was cheems also know as Balltze or Ball-Ball who passed away after going under for surgery and never woke up at the age of 12 years https://www.instagram.com/p/CwHcTXRhRoL/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== SpaceRex (talk) 12:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done: On the grounds that existing source used to support is WP:QUESTIONABLE with a quick search showing no reputable reliable sources has reported on such other than Doge has leukemia, and cross-checking with primary source (i.e. the owner IG account) doesn't shows any indication that Doge (or Kabosu) has passed away. Any objections to this edit request (which I deemed as good faith) should only be reverted (without consult) if WP:SECONDARY WP:INDEPENDENT reliable sources that also tally with WP:PRIMARY can and/or is provided otherwise please discuss per WP:BRD. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:32, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Someone burn this page. Such confusion, much annoying. Kabutsu is not Cheems. 120.17.114.0 (talk) 14:51, 19 August 2023 (UTC)