Talk:Dog aggression

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I'm adding more information...

I am adding more information; most of it comes from popular dog behaviourist Cesar Millan of The Dog Whisperer on the National Geographic channel. I have seen first hand him rehabillitate the most extreme cases of aggression in dogs; so it's important to note in the article that the idea that some dogs may never be fixed is a load of crap; it's just that those correcting the dogs aren't taking the right approach.

Well that explains a lot. Cesar Millan is not a dog behaviourist by any scientific standard. If he does not correct dogs he blames the owners, which is a load of crap. Read a proper book on dog aggression. Dog aggression has nothing to do with intend to harm, but with increasing the personal distance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.102.158.16 (talk) 00:57, 5 April 2012 (UTC) Cesar Milan should not be used as a source of information at all in this page, his methods are contentious, outdated and often harmful see for example http://www.dogwelfarecampaign.org/ for the opinion of many respected organisations on his methods. This article is so factually incorrect in places as to be best removed until it has been rewritten.86.1.8.187 (talk) 10:01, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

This page was riddled with so much misinformation.

I have updated the page based on scientific information about dog aggression. Main problems with the article as written include:

1. Dominance is the cause of many types of aggression. The only types of aggression which might be labeled as dominance aggression would be resource guarding or territorial aggression. Some veterinary textbooks also label owner-directed aggression as dominance aggression, although this is not based on the ethological understanding of dominance.

2. Behavior modification based on DS/CC methods does NOT include ignoring aggressive behaviors. This statement showed an incredibly poor understanding of behavior modification and was likely written by someone who is familiar with only one type of training method, jerk-and-pop.

3. Dominance theory has been de-bunked by top wolf bioligists, ethologists, behaviorists (those with actual degrees in behavior) and top dog trainers in the country (See Dominance Theory in Dogs, by James O'Heare). Dominance theory doesn't apply to wolves and dogs aren't wolves. Dogs aren't even pack animals (See Dogs, by Ray Coppinger PhD, who actually STUDIES the behavior of natural dogs).

People, when you are talking about aggression in dogs, this is a very serious topic, not for armchair behaviorists who have watched every episode of The Dog Whisperer. Bad information that is based on no real understanding of dog behavior runs a SERIOUS risk of increasing aggressive behaviors in dogs if applied improperly by the average dog owner. Wikipedia needs to take a stronger stance on allowing the average web user to post information on topics such as this, not just to reduce their own liability, but also to be a little more responsible about the information you are putting out there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Certified Pet Dog Trainer and Behavior Consultant (Yes, I work with "red zone" (made up term) dogs and dog aggression every day. No, I do not tell owners to euthanize their dogs. Yes, the dogs I work with have previously undergone "Dog Whispering" type treatment and their behavior escalated)67.182.166.46 (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

Dog Psychology Center and response to vandalism

I agree with the "Vandal"'s removal of Cesar Millan from this article; I guess it isn't very fitting; although I think it's nice to have the Dog Psychology Center link up for people who want potential help for rehabilitating their dog. It may also be appropriate to provide a link to the Dog behaviourist article.

This is how he rehabilitates dogs

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/14505140.htm

Logical fallacy. Please read logical fallacies. Doesn't prove he's not a dog behaviourist. Just maybe a "bad" one. I have asked you to provide reasons for why he's not a dog-behaviourist. You have failed to do so. Discussion/debate continues on dog behaviourist dicussion-forums. 67.164.209.137 23:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: This is how he rehabilitates dogs

The point is that it is a scientific subject, and that assertions on the matter have real, and critical consequences, since they translate in to interventions. The man in question has been criticized for using pseudoscientific explanations of outdated and sometimes dangerous methods (as Vandal provides sources for). He is a DOG TRAINER and a PROFESSIONAL ENTERTAINER. There is no logical fallacy in the claims, though they might be false (for instance if he is really a scientist using state of the art theory to ground wellrespected methods). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.191.142.226 (talk) 07:03, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

This page needs citations

None of the assertions in this article have citations. Most specifically, the section on the United States is in serious need of attention, as it contains unreferenced statistics. I'm not sure who added the information, but please cite your sources. I'm gonna go through and clean up what I can, anything that's not cited or that I can't find references for will be removed. Widgertick 06:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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The article needs to be more focused on what causes this aggression and how to prevent or treat it. The lead/introduction paragraph is not detailed enough and the language used is slightly informal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnimalBehaviorStudent (talk • contribs) 00:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Anitpathy?

Aggressionis defined as the act of initiating hostilities or invasion. Antipathy is defined as repugnance or aversion.

The two are entirely different. Where does the initial sentence in the introduction come from? 842U (talk) 17:35, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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Aggression in dogs

I wanted to comment on this article because some of it is not the case, some does apply, this article says that aggression is caused because from, owners not showing leadership role, training. I’ve worked with dogs my whole live, aggression is been my mane interested because aggression is part of their language they us it in different way and in order for me to know is to learn where he came from just me coming to understand was watching wild Canidae behavior , wolves displays it more than any wild canids, they use to It enforce their status and to keep order in the pack, no one gets hurt, it’s looks that way, protect the pack, territory is usually the main reason because that gives they rights to breed and pass their genes . Mother Nature gives them the choice If flight or fight. animals usually choose flight if they see it as a know win situation ( now because of domestication dog still exhibit their ways and language that is used by wild canids. I’ve worked veterinarian medicine for 22 years and I’ve worked with highly aggressive dogs that will maul or seriously injured someone, people don’t understand dogs don’t know anything about human communication and people treat them like humans and dogs don’t understand our ways or understand humans communication , dogs become aggressive when they feel challenged or threatened and what they perceives as a threat or challenge and it’s not seen that way by humans . The type of aggressive dogs I’ve handled you have to first earn that bond and trust between the two of and this dog are so serious they will show no body language but confident is written all over them. Most domestic dogs don’t know their on language and leave to young to learn it. The serious gets worse in this type of dog, if someone doesn’t know what he doing and even in body movements were you stand, how you approach and sound is challenging them that why when people are getting attacked all that movement and screaming It heightens the aggression to a animal out of control. Some dogs will challenge you And this is where people get hurt they apply training and corrections to what is hardwire in the dog and it becomes a threat. The training is very difficult on the dog and is very challenging and there are dog trainer out there that has trained for thirty years that can’t handle this dog and few have in this aggression because they don’t understand what their doing to make the aggression worse there are people out there who has well trained dog and the dog still challenges him they will until find out what you are doing. When I was getting attacked I knew to stand still focus on my breathing to bring my heart rate down you can actually see the dog clam down and as long as you keep his aggression from height you are in control of the situation he feed off of everything that person you have to get yourself to a relax state he will then see you as him confident and he will release his bite from you and he has to walk away first because if you move he will attack usually have to put this dog in a room because it takes a few minutes for them to clam down thats why doing a attack they do that walk away and come back and if you don’t have that bond and trust between you two your going to attacked if you try to force it on him he submissive to me with a little aggression letting me know that he respect me but he will fight if challenged and that bond is very special these dogs are dominant and both dogs puppies are all very dominant, these dogs have nerves of steal this one dog that use to challenge me he looks so calm all dogs and even puppies were afraid of him this dog want back away from anything this is what you call a defense dog or civil dog this dog doesn’t have to be trained to protect and will go into a attack if threatened , police don’t use this type of dog any most they use prey drive dogs which I don’t consider to be aggression because its a drive that compels a animal to do what it does , it’s part hardwire into the dog and the other part has to be taught I’ve save people from being attacked you learn how and what body language he is seeing that is turning him on these dogs I have here is to much dog for anyone to own people don’t have knowledge of dogs and this type dog you have to be in charge. When I say I have the dog in control I mean without using ObedienceS you have to be confident and in force the rules Egina6471 (talk) 18:22, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Removal of recent edit

I reverted the entire section "Types of Dog Aggression" that had been overlayed with new content. It wasn't cited and I was unable to find anything on the internet that could have been its source. Though the expanded categories seem to be similar to the categories in Brenda Aloff's book "Aggression in Dogs: Practical Management, Prevention, and Behaviour Modification", the content and essence didn't match at all. I did find another webpage that was sourced from Brenda Aloff's book [1] but even that didn't quite explain some of the content. So... after poking around for about an hour, I finally just reverted the edit. Normal Op (talk) 00:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)