Talk:Disability classification in sailing

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 19:54, 4 October 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Sailing classification → Disability sailing classification – This is not about sailing classification in general, it is classification for disabled sailors, so is very misleading, since sailing has a great many types of classification, such as boat size, crew size, number of hulls, etc. The redirect should be deleted after hte move. 76.65.128.252 (talk) 11:33, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

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Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: not moved. No prejudice against a new RM with "Disability classification in sailing" as the proposed title. Jenks24 (talk) 04:34, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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Disability sailing classification → Sailing classification – This is the common name. The literature does not refer to the sport as disability sailing. Beyond that, there is no classification system for sailing. LauraHale (talk) 01:44, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose this has nothing to do with classification of sailing in general, and only deals with the classification of sailing in disabled sport contexts. There is nothing in this article that covers general classifications of sport sailing, such as by age, or gender, or mixed-gender groups, or skill level. There is nothing about the laser class or sprint class or other sized hulls or crew sizes or monohulls or catamarans or match racing or fleet racing or multiday -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 06:29, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
  • The article is clearly not about sailing in general. It would not fit in sailing. And the name for the article that is being discussed would be Sailing classes. Classes =/= Classification. They are separate. No confusion. --LauraHale (talk) 09:47, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
    • wikt:classification is the manner of placing things in classes. As you state that this isn't about sailing in general, it should not have a generic name. Hull classification is one of the primary divisions in general sailing, and sport sailing. And historically, sail configuration is also a primary form of classification, dividing things such as xebecs, brig-sloops, brigs, sloops, etc. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 04:27, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose: Misleading, as it would imply that all players are covered. --Stfg (talk) 10:04, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
  • As what is being classified is the disabilities, not the sailing, a better title might be Disability classification in sailing. --Stfg (talk) 12:56, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Support – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:41, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose: There are other types of sailor classification such as the ISAF Sailor Classification which is todo with whether your a professional or not the term disabled maked it clear what this is link to. --User:Yachty4000 (talk) 12:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per guidelines on precision in article titles and points made by Yachty4000 and Stfg. No objections to Stfg's proposed title. Graham87 15:11, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. Only refers to disabled sport, so needs to be specific to avoid confusion. Of course there's classification in able-bodied sailing - there are many different classes. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:31, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose - "Sailing classification" is extremely misleading.

I see this is part of a broader campaign to go against recently decided moves:

• Talk:Disability judo classification
• Talk:Disability racquetball classification
• Talk:Disability table tennis classification
• Talk:Disabled lawn bowls player classification

—Diiscool (talk) 14:17, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• I had been wondering about that, too. Wouldn't a better approach be to run an RFC on a standard title form for all these articles about classification of disabilites? This would also save each of us from having to ferret around to discover if there are any more, and all individual moves could be done uncontroversially. --Stfg (talk) 19:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• Well, no. WP:COMMONNAME is the proper policy. Saying there will be confusion is like saying "Football blindfolds" should be be redirected to Association football, because people might think able bodied footballers use blindfolds instead of say theoretically "Five-a-side football" where blindfolds are used. Classification is not a word used on the able bodied version of any of these sports. Classes are not classification. Common-name should trump. I'm not adverse to Para-SPORT classification as that is more common. But disability is not in compliance with WP:COMMONNAME. That policy should trump "People might be confused by the use of a term that is not used in the sport that they will not likely find linked on the main page." Where would Racquetball classification redirect to in the racquetball? Racquetball classification -> [[Para-racquetball classification] yes. Racquetball classification -> Racquetball, no. You don't redirect pages to non-existent terms in a sport. --LauraHale (talk) 20:08, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

You said "Classification is not a word used on the able bodied version of any of these sports". I can't speak for the other sports, because I don't follow them. In sailing, "classification" is not used solely for disabled sailing, hence the need for an unambiguous article title. You might start by reading this: http://members.sailing.org/classification/. You should stop throwing around the WP:COMMONNAME argument and perhaps invoke the WP:COMMONSENSE one. —Diiscool (talk) 00:13, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I agree with that. It is disabilities, not sports, whose classification is being described in these articles, and WP:COMMONNAME doesn't in the least mandate these misleading terms. Imho "racquetball classification" is a meaningless expression, and the redirect itself is undesirable. And I don't understand at all why half a dozen separate move proposals, in which the same arguments have to be rehearsed over and over, is better than an overarching RFC. --Stfg (talk) 09:39, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

The redirect is under discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion#Sailing_classification -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 06:48, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

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