Talk:Dirk Pitt/Archive 1

Hitchcockian? No.

I'm removing the (rather insulting) comparison of Clive Cussler to Alfred Hitchcock. Claiming that Cussler's in-book cameos are in any way reminiscent of Hitchcock is just ridiculous. R 17:36, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Both people did the same thing so what's the problem? Its not "reminiscent" its "similar." Its not meant to be insulting. Sounds like you are mad about this for some reason. Lgreen 17:43, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Not taking sides... but I don't think the physical appearance of a director in the flesh in a movie is analogous to a writer mentioning himself in words in a book. I don't see how the comparison is insulting to either gentlemen, however. Furthermore, while I personally feel that history will judge HItchcock to have had greater stature than Cussler, it's not a case of sublime-vs-ridiculous: both are producers of commercial popular entertainment that has had enormous financial success, and despite the film-buffs' admiration for Hitchcock I don't think anyone considers him to be an icon of high art. Dpbsmith (talk) 12:42, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

In an interview Clive Cussler likened his "cameos" in his books to Hitchcock's cameos in film. To consider the entry insulting is your shortcoming not the entry.Chbclark 02:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

NUMA

There is an organisation known as NUMA - run by Clive Cussler himself! It isn't quite as fantastical as the organisation of the same name as portrayed in his books, but it is dedicated to exploring the oceans and cataloguing shipwrecks.

Perhaps the text in the article should be changed, when it is mentioned that surely Cussler "wishes" such an organisation existed. Eurosong 18:26, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I realize this and thought the citations in the article gave appropriate recongition. Please check out the recent edits I have implmenented and see if they are ok with you. Note that actual NUMA and fictional NUMA are quite different in terms of their mission. Lgreen 06:19, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

That looks better... thanks for your edits :) Eurosong 22:42, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Time frame

Don't all the Pitt books take place about 10-15 years in the future? I seem to recall reading a Cussler book back in the 80s that took place around 1997 or so. I didn't see any reference to this in the article. 23skidoo 17:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm.... I never noticed this, perhaps someone else can give some input. When you say a "Cussler Book" I assume you mean a Pitt book, as there are other Cussler books. Lgreen 05:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

They used to take place well into the future, except for the first two (three if you count Pacific Vortex!). Now they're usually set a year or two in the future - in fact Treasure of Khan (the most recent Pitt book) was released in Dec. of 2006, and is set in June of 2007. On the other hand, Cussler's two non-Dirk Pitt series make no reference to specific dates. -JakeApple 02:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Colt down trousers?

I have edited the article to remove the reference to Pitt intimidating enemies by sticking his gun down their trousers. This happens only once (in Inca Gold) and is more of a revenge tactic.

Where and when will Clive appear...

You just have to love how Clive shows up in every book, being the modest sort he is often forgotten a moment after he is met (Inca Gold) Thanks to Mr. Cussler, my daily 100 mile commute is now a Dirk Pitt Adventure..I just can't think that that old homeless guy begging on I-95 daily is really Cussler....

Pitt is the next door neighbor you would love to hate.

Neutrality disputed?

Someone put up a notice disputing the neutrality of the article. I see nothing here about that. I've removed the notice and if there is a problem, lets discuss it here and work on fixing it. Lgreen 21:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Citation Needed

In the section related to the characteristics of the novels, there were "citation needed" tages after every one. What exactly are we supposed to cite to prove that these plot devices are used in every book? I have read every Dirk Pitt book, and in almost every one (excepting the first few) the steps laid out in that section are followed. It seems to me both that there's nothing to cite and that there's no reason to cite anything> If anyone feels differently please correct me. 69.197.169.169 23:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to log in. The above post was by me. Andrew Morritt 23:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you, those things happen in almost every book; the citations would be quite lenghty and break up the article.Lgreen 19:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks like someone must have put the "citations needed" box back at the head of the section. I agree that citations here would be difficult to write in a succinct fashion and thus cumbersome to implement. If no one can come here and make a good case for keeping it, I say remove it. -JakeApple 02:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

The notice should be kept. Or, alternatively, the section should be deleted.

If these can't be referenced in some way and are only the personal observations of editors, then the section is original research.

Speaking personally, I'd settle for specifics and page references for one of the novels showing how that particular novel fits the alleged pattern. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Continuities section

The section about continuity errors could be greatly expanded. Many have been pointed out over the years involving Pitt - his family, height, weight being a few I can think of. Splamo 01:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Pitt birthday

Is it possible to add Pitt's birthday? I know a few years ago on the Clive Cussler forum, I believe it was the owner of that forum figured out how old Pitt was and when he was born. I believe it placed him at 58 when he married Loren Smith. Might be worth looking into Splamo 01:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Origin of the Outboard Bathtub

Can anybody provide the hows and whys of some of Dirk's collection in the hanger? Ttenchantr 22:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

It makes its appearance in one of the books, possibly Vixen 03? He uses it to escape off an island up- which he and Al are being held prisoner by a bunch of suitably inept criminals. Most of the odd items referenced in the books are references to previous stories. Calum (talk) 10:23, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

It was in Cyclops; he actually escapes Cuba in it. Alparrott (talk) 14:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Backstory...

You can't graduate the USAF Academy as a Major.

Could someone who knows these stories check the facts on that. It probably just needs to be re-worded. 68.230.39.64 07:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

More discontinuities

In Trojan Odyssey is stated that Pitt has children with Summer Moran (see Pacific Vortex), but nowhere in the Pacific Vortex episode he had the opportunity to have sex with Summer. Its nowhere mentioned and in fact there is not a single moment where he even could have. Every moment with both characters on the scene is filled with other activities. --84.167.147.88 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 20:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

In fact, Dirk and Summer did have one oppurtunity during the earthquake scene at the novel's climax. After Adrian and Giordino swim to the surface, Dirk and Summer are left alone. During this time, Dirk Jr. and his sister Summer could have been conceived.

Well at least in my version of the novel (german translation) the book tells definitivly that Pitt and Summer follow Al and Adrian very shortly afterwards into the water, after a short conversation. So they wouldn't had time even in that situation. --217.95.167.253 15:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, keep in mind the underwater cave/seamount was crumbling from being hit by a nuclear missile. And that Dirk was badly injured. Hardly a romantic or logical time for having sex. -- 222.252.25.165 (talk) 08:09, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Come on- this is clive cussler we are talking about. Realism is his LAST concern :)

67.128.149.135 (talk) 19:43, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 23:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

unhappy with film

i will look in my copy of clive cussler and dirk pitt revealed but if memmory searves me right clive was unhappy with the film raise the titanic! but was ok with sarahaRazor romance 14:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Not unless your definition of OK includes filing a lawsuit against the producers of the film for, among other things, failing to follow through on promises of creative control of the script. You are right about Raise the Titanic though, he hated the film so much he refused to option his books to Hollywood for more than 25 years. Ulysses411 22:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)