Talk:Diniyar Bilyaletdinov

Ethnicity

The article links to a Russian language article that supposedly verifies Bilyaletdinov's Tatar ethnicity. He may well be Tatar, but the article--which I ran through a translation program, as I do not read/speak Russian--mentions his ancestry only in a summary box. I don't doubt the subject's ethnicity, but this is a poor citation. Rolando (talk) 19:52, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree. I'm sure it's true but a better source is needed. Spiderone 08:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Well. if you would study the culture and ethnical backgrounds of the Russian names you would see the reason that without any doubt Diniyar is of Tatar ethnicity. First of all it is his first name which is similar to Marat, Rinat, and many others clearly state that the person is of Tatar ethnicity. The Russian name would be such as Vladimir, Vyacheslav, Andrei, Sergei, Vitaliy, Konstantine, etc. Second of all his last name is Russified version of Tatar name as well, compare to Yusupov, Dasayev, Nigmatullin. Russian last names are very similar, but do differ - Tolstoy, Pushkin, Goncharenko, Andreev, Yevseev, Volkov, Molotov, Grigoryev, Medvedev, Veretennikov, Lomakin, etc. For other examples, last names such that end with -dze or -shvili point out that the person is of Georgian background such as Djugashvili or Ordjonikidze. Last names that finish with -yan point out that person is Armenian, Petrosyan, Sarkasyan, Mktrchyan, etc. People with last names such as McKinley, MacCoy, MacInnis, McIntosh are more than likely to be of Celtic ethnicity. People who are named as O'Neil, O'Reilly, O'Keefe, and such easily could be Irish. French last names usually look like Devereaux, Brind'Amor, Lecavalier. German names are Bauer, Meier, Strauss, Focker, Bielmann. Please, refer to the Tatar names and you will see the answer on your question. Diniyar could be also a Bashkir, but Bashkirs are very much related to Tatars almost as close as Danes and Swedes. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

So Shaquille O'Neal is Irish then? This isn't always true. How do you know he wasn't adopted by Tatars? He doesn't look particularly non-Russian. Then again Renat Yanbayev and Marat Izmailov have blond hair and blue eyes. Explain. Spiderone 08:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow, a long discussion over nothing... Can't you just kinda believe us Russians when we say he is Tatar? You make it look like a citation is needed for a statement akin to "Diniyar was molested by his grandfather when he was 5". It's not a crime to be Tatar, is it? I just can't see how someone would even, you know, have seconds thoughts about something like this while reading this article. Tatars aren't rare, Tatars aren't special (no one is), so it's not a big deal, is it? Diniyar is Tatar, or at the very least definitely "of Tatar descent". Just double checked his mother (maybe she's Russian), but nope - Tatar as well. I mean, your Shaq argument is good, but please don't confuse the US with the rest of the world (not meant as an attack). The US as a country have a unique history of immigrants and nation-blending (Jews altering their surnames upon arrival to make it easier to pronounce/or make it more Anglo-Saxon). Obviously Shaq isn't Irish, but then again, very few black people in America have truly African names, do they? It's different in Russia, you can identify a person by his name, or at least his roots, which is what "of Tatar descent" means in this case. And if you look into Tatars in more detail, you will find it's not uncommon to find Tatars with blond hair and blue eyes. Oh, and what KIND of citation do you need? How can you actually "cite" something like this? We - Russia, I mean - used to have a "Nationality" field in our passports but that's long gone. We're all "Russian" now but obviously all with different roots. Can you actually somehow cite your own ethnicity, whatever it is? Is there a special racial/ethnical document that you posses? I know I don't. Does that mean I can't cite my own ethnicity? Where do I look, what do I scan and upload to prove I'm a Slavonic Russian? And what does Diniyar have to scan and upload to prove he is Tatar? ;) So I can safely assure you Diniyar is "of Tatar descent". P.S. Marvelous brace against Slovenia on Saturday, Everton should be proud! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.141.96.164 (talk) 23:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Without a reliable source it cannot be included, particularly as it concerns a living person in the UK, home of libel tourism. Bilyaletdinov may be a Tatar name, but we do not know whether he, or any of his ancestors, were adopted, for instance. It's not even that important anyway. Dancarney (talk) 00:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

THIS IS SOURCE. According to interview with Diniyar Bilyaletdinov: he is Tatar, he speaks Tatar, and knows tradition of his folk. His parents born in Safadzhay(Сафаджай) village (Nizhniy Novgorod oblast'). This is link to source http://nizgar.ru/modules.php?. Interview was recorded by News Paper "Tatar World" («Татарский мир» №6 (6270) 2006). Interview named "Динияр Билялетдинов: «Семья на первом месте»". This is fragment from interview:

• По национальности вы татарин, но всю свою жизнь провели в Москве. Кем вы себя считаете по менталитету?
• Знаете, на самом деле мне бы не хотелось судить о себе по национальному признаку. У меня вполне обычные взгляды на жизнь для человека моего возраста, всю свою жизнь проведшего в большом городе. Тем не менее, я, хоть и не в совершенстве, но знаю татарский язык, знаю обычаи своего народа.

Could you please added citation tag to article based on provided information. Thanks. Eric 256 (talk) 07:57, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

How come he's Chinese? -_- There's NO information on the web that he was born in the PRC. Someone's trying to mislead us, huh? This is just pure vandalism. Gleb Toropchin (talk) 13:20, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Fix'd. Gleb Toropchin (talk) 13:28, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

who cares what nationality he is? only racist clowns from wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.23.69.206 (talk) 05:01, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Весьма и весьма толсто. Dude, before writing a comment, study the difference between race and nationality, will you? Now that you're banned, go troll elsewhere. Gleb Toropchin (talk) 10:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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