Talk:Diaspora Revolt/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Mariamnei (talk · contribs) 13:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 22:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks interesting, comments follow soon. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 22:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• The term "Diaspora Revolt" (115–117 – add "CE" here to the years?

• known as the Trajanic Revolt – the infobox states "or Second Jewish–Roman War". If both names are valid, should they be both mentioned in the lead and box?

• It was possibly during this period that the lesser-known and less-understood Kitos War took place in the province. – Can you mention the parties of his war here? Did it involve Jews, too?

• Generally, no sources are needed in lead since all information in the lead is expected to appear in the body anyways (where they are sourced). (see GA criterion 1b, "it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections", see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. There may be exceptions for this, of course.

• compounded by the imposition of the Fiscus Judaicus, – give a year? When was it imposed

• Prior to the revolt, incidents of anti-Jewish violence by Greeks occurred in 112 and the summer of 115 CE. – As written, this still refers to the First Jewish Revolt, but apparently it's about the second?

• as "king", a title that has prompted some scholars to speculate on a possible messianic motivation behind the uprising, though evidence supporting this theory remains limited. – This was already mentioned earlier, but without the cautionary note.

• or the Bucoli during their uprising in Egypt – Who are the Bucoli? Anything that can be linked here?

• Gentile, Epigraphical, porticoes, Hecate, Caesareum, Zeus, Hermoupolis – all could do well with wikilinks

• The presence of a deeply incised seven-branched menorah on a road northwest of Balagrae suggests deliberate disruption of the route connecting Cyrene with neighboring regions to the west. – I can't follow here. A menorah seems to be some kind of candle holder? Why does this suggest destruction of the road?

• Eusebius’ Chronicon reports a Jewish rebellion in Mesopotamia, which is not mentioned by Cassius Dio. – I found this confusing. According to the following text, he did report on a rebellion that "might be the same", so to say "not mentioned by Cassius Dio" could be somewhat misleading.

• According to Eusebius, Trajan suspected that the Jews in Mesopotamia "would also attack the inhabitants"; Christian sources all agree that he ordered General Lusius Quietus to suppress them harshly, – Does that mean that the Jews were suppressed proactively, and did not necessarily revolt themselves?

• remove the empty notes section at the end of the article.

• The sources seem to be of high-quality, except for "Derkan, Izzet (2015-12-30). "Jews in Cyprus and Their Aims", which seems to have been published in the International Journal of Research Science and Management, which, according to [1], is a predatory journal which is not considered to be a reliable source in Wikipedia. This source may have to be removed, along with the information it supports.

• Images are appropriate. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 18:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your feedback, @Jens Lallensack:!

• I've added CE to the years for clarity.
• I included both terms in the lead and box, along with a note, since "Second Jewish–Roman War" is also often used for the Bar Kokhba revolt.
• The Kitos War took place in Judaea, with indications of a Roman military operation led by Lusius Quietus (the war's namesake) and reports of Jewish unrest. I've added some clarification on that as well.
• Should I take out the links from the lead? I noticed they’re often used in many articles, and I thought they might be helpful.

It's ok, not required for GA. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 13:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

• It was imposed after the destruction of the temple in 70 CE. I've added some clarification.
• Those instances of violence took place between the First Jewish Revolt of 66–73 CE, and the beginning of the second in late 115 or 116 CE. To clarify, I've added "In the years leading up to the Diaspora Revolt"
• I changed highlighted in the earlier mention to perhaps suggested to convey the necessary caution in this context.
• The Bucoli (or Boukoloi), were a group of herdsmen active in Egypt's Nile Delta who rebelled against Rome during the latter half of the second century (circa 170 CE). I haven't come across any information about them on Wikipedia, so there aren't any relevant links available at the moment. Perhaps I'll consider writing something about them in the future!

For now, how about adding an explanationary gloss, to give the reader some idea: "or the Bucoli (a group of herdsmen) during their uprising in Egypt in 171 CE."

• Wikilinks added.
• The idea is that the presence of a menorah near the road may indicate Jewish activity in the area, as this symbol was likely incised by Jews residing nearby. This leads the writer to propose that the Jews aimed to disrupt the adjacent road. To clarify, I am revising the text to say: The presence of a deeply incised seven-branched menorah—a symbol indicative of Jewish presence—on a road northwest of Balagrae may suggest that Jews deliberately sought to disrupt the route connecting Cyrene with neighboring regions to the west.

That sounds quite speculative to me; in this case, I suggest to use author attribution, to make clear that it is an opinion of a single author rather than an established fact. For example, you could start the sentence with "Historian xx suggested that" or similar.

• I've rewritten this section on the events in Mesopotamia. I hope it’s clearer now!

Much better, and very clear.

• Scholars generally agree that Jews did take up arms in revolt against the Romans in Mesopotamia. However, this revolt differed in many respects from the Diaspora Revolt occurring at the same time. Recent scholarship suggests that it was more about joining the broader resistance movements against the Romans in the territories taken from Parthia, rather than representing a distinctly Jewish revolt like those seen in Cyprus, Egypt, and Cyrenaica.
• The notes section isn’t empty anymore, so let's keep it as is.
• I'm removing this source. The text is supported anyway by Pucci Ben Zeev.
• Great! If you need any further clarifications, just let me know. Thanks again! Mariamnei (talk) 13:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Some replies above. Excellent work overall. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 13:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

@Jens Lallensack. All taken care of. Thanks so much! Mariamnei (talk) 05:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Excellent! Consider nominating this at WP:FAC. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 11:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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