Talk:Diaphoretickes

Can Bikonts, Diaphoretickes, Corticata, Cabozoa, etc. PLEASE all be merged into a single page?

I think theyre separate because they are notable as ideas, even if t hey cannot all simultaneously exist. e.g. we have a page for Pancrustacea even though not everybody believes in it. —Soap— 19:30, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Pronunc of diap

Is there reference for the unusual pronunc of the diap word ? It's not used in the source linked, so no help there. —Soap— 19:30, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Couldnt find a source for the pronunciation, but it seems that it is sometimes spelled without the c. And that it may come from a Greek word for "diverse". But the name may also be a pun between that word and another one meaning "sweating" ... as all plants are known for pushing water through their body. I'll look into this when I get a chance to see if the variant spelling is acceptable. —Soap— 23:39, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

I was not able to find anything so Im giving up on this. it may be that diaphoretickes was never approved as an official name since i dontsee it in ICZN, etc. —Soap— 20:36, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Hemimastigophora

Hemimastigophora was removed from the list of subtaxa earlier. I'm putting it back (with question mark) for two reasons: 1) Some recent studies found Hemimastigophora nests among the sub-clades of Diaphoretickes. The Lax et al. 2018 paper that described Hemimastix kukwesjijk also mentions this is a (less likely) possibility. 2) Moreover, if the Lax paper's preferred placement of Hemimastigophora is correct, the Hemimastigophora still falls within Diaphoretickes, by definition.

The paper itself suggests this, although there some of the language is equivocal. Some statements do indeed imply that Hemimastigophora is outside the clade: "They instead comprise an independent supra-kingdom-level lineage that most likely forms a sister clade to the ‘Diaphoretickes’ half of eukaryote diversity" (in the abstract), and "Hemimastigophora outside of and sister to Diaphoretickes" (p.3). But there is also wording that implies membership within Diaphoretickes: "actually branched sister to all of the other Diaphoretickes" (p.2) and "Their consensus tree shows Hemimastigophora as sister to (other) Diaphoretickes with maximal support" (in Methods section). [Emphasis added in all of these.]

This equivocation makes some sense if we think only of the clades originally considered members of Diaphoretickes. But the definition of Diaphoretickes is clear: if a taxon is closer to Rhizarians, Alveolates, Stramenopiles, and Archaeplastida, than it is to Opisthokonts, Amoebozoans, or Excavates, then it belongs in Diaphoretickes.

In this diagram, the Diaphoretickes is defined as the branch marked "Y", even though sometimes people refer to the clade as if it were the node marked "Z":

               .----------- Rhizaria
  .-Y------Z---|----------- Alveolata
 |      |  |   '----------- Stramenopiles
 |      |  '----------- Archaeplastida
 |      | 
 |      '---------- Hemimastigophora
 |
 |         .---------- Amoebozoans
 |---------|
 |         '-----------Opisthokonts
 '------------ Excavates

It might be reasonable to redefine Diaphoretickes as clade "Z" to better match the original membership, but as far as I know no one as done so. Cephal-odd (talk) 04:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

new supergroup Provora

Proposed member of Diaphoretickes: Provora = nibblerids (Nibbleridia) + nebulids (Nebulidia)

Reference:

• doi:10.1038/s41586-022-05511-5 Microbial predators form a new supergroup of eukaryotes
  • Fig. 1 Cell morphology
  • Fig. 2 Phylogeny of eukaryotes reconstructed with a concatenated 320-gene dataset

It is a home for Ancoracysta as already contained in the Diaphoretickes tree given at Eukaryote#Phylogeny.

For more details see Talk:Eukaryote#Phylogeny - new supergroup Provora Ernsts (talk) 00:20, 8 December 2022 (UTC). Updated --Ernsts (talk) 23:20, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Fine by me,seems worth adding. Vaughan Pratt (talk) 00:30, 9 December 2022 (UTC)