Talk:Diamond-Star Motors

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Sorry guys, I didn't have the time to really do this page justice, so I just slapped up something quick. I'm wondering though, should we make seperate pages for DSM the company, and DSM the cars? Ah well, either way, if anyone wants to continue adding stuff, here's a link:

http://www.geocities.com/seegs_82/Index.html

Its got a pretty good history of DSM and the cars, plus a fairly detailed explanation of the DSMs (vehicles).

-MachDelta

Second paragraph

I have some doubts about the second paragraph. It seems to me to violate the NPOV rule. RivGuySC 00:32, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Infobox

I guess this page should get one. I'll try and put something together if no-one else does. -- DeLarge 16:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Original cars

I carried a lot of info over from previous revisions of this page, and one of the snippets is that "initially four models were produced" - the Galant and the three DSM 2+2s. Surely the Galant wasn't built by DSM until 1993? I'll wait for comment, and if none are forthcoming I'll correct it. -- DeLarge 10:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Corrected Galant info. Also, I removed the statements I added that the 3000GT / Dodge Stealth were built here. I can only guess that I was cutting/pasting from elsewhere and not paying attention, since I'd already mentioned the correct info - that they were all built in Nagoya - on the 3000GT talk page a month before. Big whoops, but no-one seems to have noticed. Shame on you all for your lack of vigilance! -- DeLarge 09:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

New category

Category:Defunct automobile manufacturers of the United States? The plant is still active, but DSM is not. Trying to find an equivalent "sub-brand" on Wikipedia which would support my stance, but no luck as yet, hence I've only added this to the talk page for discussion.

Aftermarket and Tuning Community (moved from main article)

The vehicles that Diamond-Star Motors produced, which include particularly the Mitsubishi Eclipse and the Eagle Talon now have a large cult following.[1] These vehicles were equipped from the factory with much more capability for speed then other vehicles at the time.[2] Finding the three vehicles, Talon Eclipse and Laser are commonplace in the streets.[3]

Many of the market who still buy the used Diamond-Star Motors vehicles attempt to purchase the vehicle with a production date of up to 1992, in which the motor changed in that year.[4] Known to the owners, it went from a 6 Bolt Crank to a 7 Bolt.[5] The 7 Bolt was widely panned at the time and to this day due to a symptom known as "Crank Walk".[6] A majority of the buyers today look for primarily the turbo version of all three of the cars in all wheel drive drivetrain form.[7]

Moved these paragraphs here. They're grammatically poor (1, 3), POV (2, 6) and don't cite their sources (1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7). I also think the section is relevant to the cars, not the factory, and therefore shouldn't even be in this page. The "crankwalk" stuff is already mentioned in the Eagle Talon article. --DeLarge 22:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Unionization

Folks, I'll admit I'm a Newbee. I added a section to this entry on the union local that represents workers at the plant. Veinor completely deleted it. After reviewing again a few policy documents, including those of the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Organized_Labour, I think there is room for greater expansion of info on the union. Some 2500 workers at the plant are represented by the union, and the union has a significant role in such management functions as quality assurance and workplace safety, not to mention securing wages and benefits for the workers.

I would like to expand the little stub of a section currently in the article, and I think it is reasonable to link to the union local's website. After all, these vehicles are marketed as "union made."

Tobyhigbie 22:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Veinor was right to delete the initial edit, as it failed several core WP policies, specifically WP:No original research and WP:Citing sources; I'd have removed it myself. Also, it was completely disproportionate to the rest of the article, taking up one third of the entire page. While the union presence there might be encyclopedic, it is not the primary focus of the article; the last two paragraphs were about the Union, not DSM/MMMA. The current edits are much more balanced relative to the rest of the article.

Linking to the union's website is most likely inappropriate; check WP:External links. Frankly, some of the existing external links aren't appropriate, and are periodically removed (before being replaced by users only interested in contributing external links).

Also, with regards to "policy documents", please note that Wikipedia:WikiProject Organized Labour is only a WikiProject, i.e. a semi-organised group of editors united by a common interest in a specific subject. They don't set WP policies. A summary of WP's policies can be found at Wikipedia:Five pillars. User:Bookandcoffee has already posted a link to this and other useful pages on your talk page, to help you get started. Regards, --DeLarge 23:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

- Thanks for the help. I added a reference, although you have to click through his page to get to the pdf file. I also modified a sentence in the previous section, creating one sentence on the number of workers and another on the robots. Perhaps it's only a style point, but people and robots are not "employed" in quite the same manner. Tobyhigbie 18:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Coming back to this a few years later I see the union info was removed. I've added one sentence simply stating the year and affiliation with the UAW, with a citation. Toby Higbie (talk) 22:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

reversion on May 30 2005

Several things were reverted here; here's my explanation:

• Splitting into subsections. Each subsection was as little as one or two sentences, a layout deprecated at the Wikipedia:Guide to layout#Body sections.
• "Co-operation" in the past tense. The sentence was about the two companies co-operating referred to that topic in general, not specifically at Normal. They have indeed continued to do so to the present day (e.g. GEMA). It also seemed factually inaccurate, stating that co-operation at Normal ceased in '03 and there have been no Dodge/Chryser-branded vehicles produced since then. Not true -- the Sebring & Stratus were produced there until February 2005.[1]
• Mention of MMNA in "Current Production". It's already mentioned in the opening paragraph, so is redundant.

Regards, --DeLarge 16:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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