Talk:Destiny (wordless novel)/GA1

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Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 19:52, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Happy to offer a review. Josh Milburn (talk) 19:52, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

"Destiny (German: Schicksal) is the only wordless novel by German artist Otto Nückel, published in 1926." How about splitting this? You could put the date of publication in a separate sentence with a mention of the publisher and country (both currently absent from the lead)

• • I left the publisher out since there was no article on it—I've now created one. I've reworked the lead a little more than you suggested—what do you think now? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
• Two potential issues with the lead image: First, it seems to be quite large. If you are keen to display the details, perhaps you could consider a crop? At the very least, this should be clarified in the rationale. Second, it'd be good if you could provide some context in the caption- I assume this is the lead character murdering a man?
  • I always feel like I'll butcher a resizing, so I leave it to the bots to handle—but it doesn't look like a bot has gotten to this. This one's pretty crooked, too, thoguh, so I've gone and done it myself anyways. I probably should do a scan myself of a detail of the hatching—there doesn't appear to be anything good online. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
• "The images range in size from 2 3⁄4 × 2 3⁄4 inches (7 × 7 cm) to 4 3⁄4 × 4 inches (12 × 10 cm),[8] and were originally printed on thin Japanese handmade paper[7] when it was published in Germany in 1926.[9]" Unclear what the "it" is, here- Destiny/"the novel", presumably?
  • Yes, fixed. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
• Was Nückel directly inspired by Masereel? This is implied, but not actually said.
  • It seems to be everyone's assumption. I'll see if I can find something that explicitly says so. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
• Do we have articles worth linking to for "leadcut" or "multiple tool"/"lining tool"? If not, should any of these be redlinked?
  • I haven't had luck finding RSes on them, but maybe someone else can. Redlinked. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
• "Lynd Ward found Nückel's book had greater psychological depth in its characters and plot development, and more skilled technical achievement in the artwork." Are you citing Ward via Walker, here, or have you missed a reference? Also, I note that this is the first mention of Ward, but the name isn't linked, but it is linked later. (In the sentence before, Masereel's name is linked, despite the fact he's already been introduced.)
• The only two hits on Nexis were for this and this. Not particularly useful for this article, but potentially a couple which may be useful for you elsewhere.
  • "The greatest favour Walker does for Black is to silence him. In real life, Black tends to embarrass himself whenever he opens his mouth"—those links were worth it for that quote alone! I should probably pick up the book—I have yet to have read any of Walker's wordless novels, even though he's a fellow Ontarian and seems to be on his way to becoming the most prolific wordless novelist. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
• According to JSTOR 25470217, Destiny may have had an impact upon Will Eisner, and, specifically, his development of the term "graphic novel". Apologies if you were aware of this, but perhaps worth mentioning?
  • From what I remember, Ward was the eye-opening inspiration on Eisner in the 1930s, and he discovered Masereel and Nückel later. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
• I'm inclined to think that a "Works by Otto Nuckle" (or similar) category would be appropriate.
  • Sure, but it likely won't get much populated—Destiny appears to be his claim to fame. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Interesting topic. Article seems strong, reflecting the light literature on the subject. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:29, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks a lot for taking the time! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I've made some final tweaks, but my last question is whether you are citing Ward via Walker or whether you've missed a reference. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:27, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I missed that. Walker is paraphrasing Ward from Storyteller Without Wards, a collection from the 1970s in which Ward wrote prefaces to each of his wordless novels. There's a book in the library here that reprints those essays—I'll pick it up one of these days and use it as a source. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 22:58, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
      • Great- you may want to consider "Quoted in" or something for your footnote, but I'm not going to get excited about anything like that for GAC. I'm happy to promote at this time. An interesting topic and a solid article. Great work, as ever. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:33, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
        • I've put it in "Comics"- feel free to move it if this is inappropriate! Josh Milburn (talk) 16:40, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
          • @J Milburn: Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "put it in 'Comics'". Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:08, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
            • Sorry- I have listed the article at Wikipedia:Good articles/Language and literature#Comics. Please feel free to move it if you think it belongs elsewhere. Josh Milburn (talk) 08:50, 17 April 2015 (UTC)