Talk:Dennis Trident 3

I think we focus in Hong Kong too much. I suggest combining Trident 3 with Alexander Dennis Enviro500, as well as creating a separate article for their activity in Hong Kong. Confront me here if you have any objections. Patrickov 16:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Dennis Trident 3 was mainly built for Hong Kong market, with only about 90 out of over 1300 Tridents being delivered to places other than Hong Kong, so I don't think the article "being focus in Hong Kong too much" is a problem. For your suggestion, I think the readers would like to find all the information about a particular bus type in a single page, not two pages. ADS190 02:40, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't deny that Hong Kong is the major buyer for this series of buses, and even the main article should put most space for Hong Kong. However...

1. As an encyclopedia article, I believe there is a way to distribute contents more evenly for this one.
2. I am not saying that "I am going to wipe everything about Hong Kong out of this article" or something like that. In fact, I suggest make a relatively brief description about this bus series' history in Hong Kong, at about the same length of the sum of the other parts. (We are now reading at least twice more information and maybe at least 6 times more detailed description about Hong Kong than the sum of anywhere else)
3. We are seeing too many jargons, i.e. exact fleet numbers, registration numbers, or route numbers without adequate elaboration.
   I tried deletion but the resultant article didn't look well. So elaboration may be the only way, but we will further inflate the article with Hong Kong related stuff.

So these are the reasons of calling for a split. And I hope more concerned editors can express their opinions.

Last but not least, I am thinking about putting up concern for similar bus model related articles.

Patrickov 12:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Though the majority of the Tridents are built for Hong Kong, I think the article is a bit too detailed on their activity in Hong Kong, especially quite a lot information about each batch of the buses. I think these content could be simiplified a bit for this article, and we can start a new article namely "History of Buses in Hong Kong" or something like that to include the details, for Tridents as well as other bus models. -- LR4087 12:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Instead of evening the article by chopping off the Hong Kong content, why not fortifying the content of non-HK buses? I think this would be far more constructive. By the way, I partly agree with LR4087 that some information are too complicated. But I think it can simply improved by reformatting (e.g. by use of tables).--Spring Dennis 08:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

A critical issue about the subject

According to the manufacturer, Alexander-Dennis, there's no information for "Dennis Trident 3" or "Dennis Trident 2". AD claims they only name their products as "Dennis Trident", with 3-axles and 2-axles configations. So I may suggest the administrative can revise these related pages asap to avoid false informations for our valuable readers/researchers. Thanks Mikey michael 08:36, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Actually it is not false to call them "Dennis Trident 2"/"Dennis Trident 3". Dennis had used the names "Trident 2" and "Trident 3" to differentiate these two different designs (In Hong Kong, I saw some 3-axle Dennis Tridents carrying "Trident 3" on the "Vehicle type" section of their vehicle identification plates). On the other hand, there are relevant Google hits of "Dennis Trident 2" and "Dennis Trident 3" (some people call them "Dennis Trident II" and "Dennis Trident III"). These two names could also be found in some corporate websites such as Voith Turbo and ZF (both of them are suppliers of gearbox for Dennis Trident). ADS190 15:31, 28 January 2006 (UTC)