Talk:Dennis O'Neil/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 00:39, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Happy to be challenged on any of my review comments. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:00, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Sources

• What makes Talent Pool a reliable source? It really doesn't look like one.
• My reading of Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_398#Grand_Comics_Database is that Grand Comics Database is not considered a reliable source.
• What makes manwithoutfear.com a reliable source?
• "There is consensus that the New York Post is generally unreliable for factual reporting" (WP:NYPOST)
• What makes walruscomix.com a reliable source?
• What makes bailsprojects.com (Who's Who of American Comic Books 1928–1999) a reliable source?
• What makes hahnlibrary.net a reliable source?

Copyvio Check

• The article was created on July 4, 2004. Looking at the archived copy of the FortuneCity page, https://web.archive.org/web/20040620031401/http://www.fortunecity.com:80/tatooine/niven/142/talentpo/tp19.html from June 20, 2004, there seems to be an unacceptable level of plagiarism - see Earwig's Copyvio detector.

Examples of exact phrases re-used:

• "he would accompany his father or his grandfather to the store for some light groceries and an occasional comic book"
• "he suggested that O'Neil take the Marvel writer's test, which involved adding dialogue to a wordless four-page excerpt of a Fantastic Four comic"
• "left-wing creation that effectively took over Green Lantern's book to use him as a foil and straw"
• "Following the lead set by Bob Haney and Neal Adams in a Brave and the Bold story that visually redefined Green Arrow into the version that appeared in comics between 1969 and 1986, O'Neil"
• "took away her powers, exiled her from the Amazon community, and set her off, uncostumed, into international intrigues with her blind mentor,"
• " alienated readers. In Justice League, he had more success, introducing into that title the first socially and politically themed stories, setting the stage for later work on Green Lantern/Green Arrow."

Example of slightly amended wording:

• Wikipedia: "The available jobs writing for Marvel petered out fairly quickly, and O'Neil took a job with Charlton Comics under the pseudonym of Sergius O'Shaugnessy. There he received regular work for a year and a half from Charlton's editor Dick Giordano."; Talentpool: "The available jobs writing for Marvel petered out fairly quickly, and O'Neil, wishing to continue as a writer, took a job with Charlton Comics under the grotesque pseudonym of Sergius O’Shaugnessy. There he received regular work for a year and a half from Charlton's editor, the now-esteemed Dick Giordano."

FlairTale I'm going to pause the review to give you a chance to repond to what looks like a big copyvio problem. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:15, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Quick fail

FlairTale After further consideration, I'm going to quick fail this. Wikipedia:Good_article_criteria gives five reasons why an article can be failed without further review (known as a quick fail):

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria
• It contains copyright violations

The second of the GA criteria is that "A Good Article is... verifiable with no original research:...

d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism."

Given the examples highlighted above, I believe the article is a long way from meeting the requirement about containing no no copyright violations or plagiarism. I'm happy to discuss this further on the article's talk page. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:54, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

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