Talk:Dennis King (politician)

Premier Designate in the infobox

FYI Jason Kenney does have this section in his infobox. user:Earl Andrew & User:GoodDay why don't you discuss it here. Shemtovca (talk) 03:34, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Jason Kenney won a majority government, so that's a moot point. The last example we have of this (a minority government where the plurality party is different from the outgoing government) was with Blaine Higgs who eventually became Premier over a month after the New Brunswick election, when it was decided his party would have the confidence of the New Brunswick legislature. We didn't add Premier (or Premier designate) to his infobox until November 2, 2018, a month after the September 24th election. It is not clear that Dennis King will be the Premier of New Brunswick Prince Edward Island. It could very easily be Peter Bevan-Baker. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:39, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I hear your point of distinction between Kenney and King, but isn't it the convention that he gets a first stab at forming government and Greens would only get a chance if King loses a vote of confidence? Shemtovca (talk) 03:48, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Neither King or Bevan-Baker will be premier of New Brunswick. That job is already taken by Blaine Higgs. GoodDay (talk) 10:14, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I think you're just pushing against the obvious. There's been no suggestions at all, about any kind of special arrangements between the Greens & the Liberals. But, if you're going to keep reverting premier-designate out of this article's infobox? then I guess will just have to sit & wait. GoodDay (talk) 10:16, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. We should not speculate and make predictions about who will be Premier. If Bevan-Baker comes out and says he's not going to challenge King for the Premiership, which I admit is very likely, then we can add Premier-designate. And I hope you realized I made a typo there, I've fixed it.-- Earl Andrew - talk 13:35, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Are you not speculating that he won't be premier & that Bevan-Baker might be? Anyways, it won't matter in about a couple of weeks. GoodDay (talk) 21:26, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Theoretically, either could be Premier, though based on the last 24 hours, I see no reason to think it will be PBB, but that's still speculation on my part. -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:38, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

We need a photo, ASAP!!!!! Arglebargle79 (talk) 14:52, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I've provided a CBC news source, describing Dennis King as premier-designate. Hopefully, that will suffice. GoodDay (talk) 23:57, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

@GoodDay: it's a moot point in this case now but here's the crucial thing the media misses, when someone is a "Premier-designate", what does that actually means? It means the person was formally designated premier by the lieutenant-governor. It's not a title that automatically is applied, it doesn't come into use until the LG actually designates someone. In this case it wasn't until April 30th that the LG designated King to form a government and become premier so the use of "Premier-designate" to describe King prior to April 30th was incorrect. In future, remember we should not be declaring someone "Premier-designate" or "Prime Minster-designate" on election night. The term should not be used until the outgoing Premier/PM has informed the LG (or GG) that they will be resigning and the LG/GG actually asks someone else to form a government (ie designates them, making them premier-designate). CosmosCagoul (talk) 16:51, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

It's been the practice on Westminister-style articles, for years. One would only meet resistance, if one tries to stop the adoption until the formality occurs. GoodDay (talk) 16:54, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Can you say where we have used -designate outside of Canada? Onetwothreeip (talk) 22:49, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@GoodDay: how can someone be "Premier-designate" if the Lieutenant-Governor hasn't designated them as premier yet? CosmosCagoul (talk) 00:41, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

We've done in the Australian & New Zealand articles, for years. GoodDay (talk) 00:51, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

In Australia we use -designate for when a new party leader of the governing party is chosen, and -elect for when a new party gets a majority. I've seen some uses of -designate being used incorrectly for the latter. Onetwothreeip (talk) 02:06, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

@GoodDay: Just because something has been done in the media or on Wikipedia doesn't mean it's actually correct. You haven't answered my question: The lieutenant-governor (or governor-general, or governor, or Queen in the UK), is the person who designates someone Premier or PM. So if the LG, GG, etc hasn't yet designated someone premier, how can they be premier-designate? CosmosCagoul (talk) 13:37, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Why 'now' are some of you suddenly against using 'premier-designate' in these articles? We've been doing it this way for years. If yas don't like it? take it to WP:CANADA & see about getting the practice changed. GoodDay (talk) 15:09, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

It's not a matter of liking it or not liking it, it's a matter of whether it's correct or incorrect. You're only argument has been "this is the way we've always done it" which is never a good argument for anything. CosmosCagoul (talk) 23:26, 5 May 2019 (UTC)