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Layout of the mountain

Do mountains have layouts? I'm not sure what other term I'd suggest but "layout" feels quite human-centric. Geography must have a term for this. Dichohecho (talk) 13:38, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I think this is a valid point, and that the question provides an answer. The section is clearly about the geography of the mountain and I have changed it to reflect that. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:28, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Alaskan here, lots of experience with the mountain (that experience being: have spent time on it, have been taught about it in school, regularly look to my side and am like "oh, look, it's that giant mountain that's always sitting in the distance" because it's sorta hard to miss, being friggin' gigantic).

I'm not sure about the pronunciation given in the lede; I've always analyzed that first vowel as an /ɛ/ (like 'bet') rather than an /ɪ/ (like 'bit'), and the second vowel is either /ɑː/ ()like 'bot') (as it is in the article) or /æ/ (like 'bat'; unexpectedly, this is actually the sound in the original Koyukon)—at least, in my experience. I should look for videos of Alaskan speakers saying the name, or produce some myself (then publish them somewhere, then have someone else cite them into the article, making it Not Technically OR). Hppavilion1 (talk) 22:36, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Not too familiar with IPA pronunciations, but as a lifelong Alaskan myself, I've always pronounced it "Duh-nawllee", as in, "Molly" or "Mohammed Duh Nali". My Alaska Native friends, on the other hand, have more of a tendency to drop the "e" or schwa sound entirely, similar to the way people speaking Cockney English will often drop the "t" or "h", pronouncing it more like they would "Knik". (While most non-Natives will say "Kuh-nik", Alaska Natives will often say K'nik. It's rather common in Native languages to have a hard consonant followed by an "n" or "m", although somewhat tongue twisting to a non-Native speaker.) In other words, my Alaska Native friends more often say "D'nawllee". I also do hear it a lot with the soft "a", as in "Nalley" (like the canned-chili brand). What I never hear is the soft "e" sound at the beginning or the hard "i" at the end. I hope that helps. Zaereth (talk) 00:41, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Somewhat, but I don't know what a 'soft e' or 'hard i' means; I can infer that the latter is just the name of the letter (as in the word 'I'), but I'm not clear on what the former is. Hppavilion1 (talk) 01:16, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to fix that but got side-tracked. I can't ever recall anyone saying it like "den", as in "wolve's den" or "Ben", except on National TV sometimes where I notice it because it just sounds weird. (Happens with Valdez all the time.) When I do, it's almost always with the "Nalley" at the end, as in "Den-alley". Only once do I recall the hard "i", as in cacti, or octopi, and that also was on national news. Zaereth (talk) 01:26, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Interestingly, as a side note, I recall reading a book by John Philip Cohane called The Key, in which he attempts to take etymology far past the usual Greek and Roman, German, and other proto-languages. Travelling around the world studying the names of places, like Denali, which are often far, far older than the surrounding languages and tend to remain virtually unchanged over time. Cohane theorizes that all languages can be traced back to two original languages, and over 98% of all languages to just one, original language used by humans tens of thousands of years ago. His theory claims that this original language had only seven words, and all other words came from some combination of those seven. I can't remember all seven, but some of the main ones were "denga", "ala", "ava", "asa" and "ock", with Denali being a combination of the first two. Who know if it's true or not, but it is an interesting book if you like words and etymology. Zaereth (talk) 01:53, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

citation #72

I searched the Borneman book on Google Books under 'Denali,' 'McKinley,' and 'Lindley' and found nothing relating to the 1932 second ascent of Denali. 2600:6C5D:67F:D2F8:ADFB:ED68:2744:403E (talk) 19:42, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

At first glance, I didn't see it in there either, and the search box should have showed some results even if not on an available page. When this happens, you are welcome to remove the source and the information, but make sure that none of the sources listed gives that info first, and leave a detailed edit summary explaining what you did and why. Or, if you're unsure, you can add this template, {{failed verification}}, to the end of the ref. It will look like this: Zaereth (talk) 00:15, 28 August 2020 (UTC)