Talk:Defense of Van (1915)
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Article trying to rewrite history edit
The title "Defense of Van" is trying to make the whole armed rebellion look like a "reaction" to the so called "genocide".
While the reality is that the Ottoman Army reacted to the attempts made by Armenian gangs who were trying to carve up Anatolia, attacking the weakened Ottoman state to create "Big Armenia". Just like Greeks in the west were doing.
As explained here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG70UWESfu4
And quite unbelievable that a "poor massacred victims" are able to capture other Ottoman cities: https://imgur.com/vVk1HWA
We have all the data. Sooner or later this article will be titled correctly. Even if not, it doesn't change reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.230.180.9 (talk) 08:39, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Defense of Van (1915) edit
Van is a province of the Ottoman Empire. This is a rebellion. In order for this to be called a defense, there must be a state in that land. It is referred to as "siege of van" in many places on the internet. This article is named and content from a biased point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.191.138.126 (talk) 16:14, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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The Armenian side is the Armenian revolutionary federation, not "Armenian fedayi" Jshmardutyun (talk) 20:20, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Callmemirela 🍁 20:30, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Unbalanced Article edit
This article is biased against the Ottomans, The biggest problem is the title, Van is a provience of the Ottoman Empire and the armed Armenian population isn't defending Van they are rebelling against Ottoman Empire. In English (which is the language of this article) defense means "the action of defending from or resisting attack" which isn't true because Armenians aren't defending Van. Rebellion would be more fitting for this article because The word Rebellion's meaning is: "an act of violent or open resistance to an established government or ruler". Which is true since Armenian population is attacking the Ottoman Empire. UpgradeWasTaken (talk) 12:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- We write what WP:RS state, the above comment is an unfounded opinion. - Kevo327 (talk) 12:03, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- What is exactly unfounded? That Van is a province of the Ottoman Empire? 76.22.119.7 (talk) 17:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Can you explain us why it is an unfounded opinion instead of just calling it one? Here's the meaning of the word defense according to Oxford: "the act of protecting somebody/something from attack, criticism, etc." (https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/defense) UpgradeWasTaken (talk) 15:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Results edit
Please note that per Template:Infobox military conflict#Parameters, results "may use one of two standard terms: "X victory" or "Inconclusive"." The infobox has been amended to reflect this. Especially because this is a controversial topic, we need to follow the template guidance. I encourage editors to read the template "result" guidance in full before amending or reverting. Thanks! Annwfwn (talk) 11:52, 24 February 2024 (UTC)