Talk:Death of Leah Croucher

Comments on request to move article from draft to live

This is a huge case in the area and now making national news again. She has still not been found and the reward money have been doubled recently. This is a national story for almost three years and should have its own page. Fishplater (talk) 14:46, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Edited entry to show enduring coverage from 2019 to present and with a range of coverage from a range of sources (ITV and Metro, BBC and EonTimes). Also expanded on the Hayden Croucher point - to show why it is very relevant to the article and the disappearance. Fishplater (talk) 13:49, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Added news references from 9News Australia, The Guardian and Sky News. https://news.google.com/search?q=%22leah%20croucher%22&hl=en-GB&gl=GB&ceid=GB%3Aen suggests MK-Citizen, Bucks Free Press and multiple national papers have covered it over the last three years. Fishplater (talk) 09:36, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

The Court case against Haydon Croucher does not need to identify the plaintiff as "Mr X" - these may be two different people. Please provide source for who "Mr X" is or isnt. Fishplater (talk) 11:39, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Removal of immaterial and/or needless info

I'm uneasy about including the name of an individual who was ruled out as a suspect at the outset of the investigation, so I've removed it. Feel free to add it back if high quality sources covered it and you feel it's inclusion is essential. A quick search gave me the Sun, Daily Mail, Metro & similar, none of which can be used. Is it necessary to have a separate section for Hayden? It's sad that he ended up in court & then took his own life, but I'm thinking a brief mention would be sufficient as opposed to a standalone section. I also intended removing the section about the "civilian sleuth", but I see a fellow editor has just removed it. I'm not sure I'd have used the wording as per their edit summary :) but I agree, it's not something that was taken seriously by any high quality media outlets & it sounds a bit woo. DSQ (talk) 16:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I think that the entire section about Haydon Croucher is problematic, as it doesn't tell us much about the actual disappearance. Nor is he now regarded as a suspect in the case. This entire section could go without losing much information.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:59, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree & support its removal. Would it be appropriate to have a short section on Leahs background, which would include brief mention of her family, or not? --DSQ (talk) 17:19, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

It seems to run into WP:TOPIC and WP:DUE problems, because the only person that the police are now interested in is Neil Maxwell (who is dead so he is never going to be arrested or prosecuted). There isn't a great need to mention other people as it could lead to WP:BLP issues.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:25, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

IMO, there is a bit too much detail there but it can't be reduced by a lot because his mental health was seriously affected by her disappearance and his subsequent behaviour was a consequence of it. Crime affects not just the immediate victim (and perpetrator) but also their families and friends. The broader picture is important. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:21, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I can see both sides to removing. It appeared relevant prior to Maxwell being in the picture but may not be so much. But Haydon's death did greatly effect the police's resources when searhcing for Leah. Happy to let majority rule. Fishplater (talk) 07:41, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

One of the reasons why the Haydon Croucher section was removed is because it may have given the impression - albeit unintentionally - that he may have done it or been involved in some way because he took his own life. We now know that Neil Maxwell very likely did it, so things have moved on.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:47, 24 October 2022 (UTC)