Talk:Deadpool & Wolverine

20th Century Studios

Should we give them a studio credit like on the Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny article? They have a copyright mention Jediknight15 (talk) 08:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

This has been discussed multiple times, including in the thread right above this one. We need a reliable source to confirm that 20th Century Studios is one of the production companies for this film. A copyright mark on a poster or trailer is not enough. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Deadpool and Wolverine | 20th Century Studios Australia/New ZealandI found this on their page. That enough? Jediknight15 (talk) 01:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

That page doesn't explicitly state 20th Century is a production company, and it is likely on their site because they are a copyright holder. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

FYI, per the MPA's classifications notice that included this film, it lists Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures as distributor, so if there is any official 20th Century credit, it would be as a production company (which at this time, all indications are that was not likely the case). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Although for the Alien Romulus, they still credit 20th Century Studios as distributor, Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures is not credited, for Deadpool & Wolverine, it would possibly that the 2021 20th Century Studios logo would appear in the movie as a variant. TCFFanmade2006YT (talk) 09:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

We have no way of knowing that yet. Even if a logo for that studio appeared, we would still need a reliable source for what its exact involvement or credit is, if any. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I could suggest however that, on the other hand, Avatar 3 should list Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures as distributor rather than credited 20th Century Studios as distributor despite being one of Walt Disney Studios' production companies since Disney's acquisition of 21st Century Fox's properties in 2019. I made a question on Quora about whenever the Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures credit expect to appear in a future 20th Century film following the release of The Amateur (e.g. Avatar 3).

It would be nice if The Amateur itself becoming the last 20th Century film to credit itself as distributor when the film comes out next year if that's confirmed a day before its release on 11th April 2025? SolshineBenie (talk) 16:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

This is not the place for general discussion of 20th Century's credits on other films. Please keep comments relevant to this film. Regardless, we go by what official crediting lists, not our preference. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:32, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

My apologies then! SolshineBenie (talk) 16:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

https://x.com/DeadpoolUpdate/status/1802536005053841784?t=upQKHpqWQIGo0EIIsqbNIg&s=19

20th Century Studios involvement is officialy confirmed in the poster of Deadpool & Wolverine, as per Twitter. TCFFanmade2006YT (talk) 08:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Still doesn't confirm how it is involved. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

The poster is in the Chinese writing at the moment so we have to wait until the English translation of the poster credits confirm it. SolshineBenie (talk) 13:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

https://x.com/SoraThePanFloof/status/1802861222481834298?t=kh0m5UxWQSBwfa2cBmUmug&s=19

Here we go. Now in English writing 2601:408:701:BD10:AB50:CF1D:DF89:D9E4 (talk) 16:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah but as expected, the billing block as no 20th Century mention. Even though this is a blurry, unofficial image, it only has "MARVEL STUDIOS Presents - A KEVIN FEIGE production - A MAXIMUM EFFORT / 21 LAPS production" at the top of the billing block. So still, nothing to add to the infobox. We'll have to wait until the final credits to see what sort of copyright, trademark, or otherwise credit 20th Century gets, if at all. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 13:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

But that is an official but blurry image SolshineBenie (talk) 21:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Again, the logo for 20th Century Studios (a copyright holder) appearing on any of these posters does NOT confirm they are a production company. The blurry billing specifically states "Marvel Studios presents A Kevin Feige production A Maximum Effort / 21 Laps Production". Nowhere does it list 20th as among the production companies. If it were one, it would have been in that listing. I think this puts the case to rest and is more similar to Paramount's logo displaying at the end of The Avengers and Iron Man 3. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:09, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

We know that but i know before about the Paramount logo does appear in Avengers Assemble and Iron Man 3. So despite the 20th Century Studios logo appearing in that poster, being a co-production of the film still not yet been confirmed and therefore the alternative poster of the film is considered to be a prototype at the moment. SolshineBenie (talk) 23:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's... what I said. Just because 20th isn't credited in this one doesn't mean it will somehow be credited on any new poster. This isn't some "prototype", it is an official poster. We have a source for Disney being the distributor and 20th has never been credited as a production company thus far, so no evidence supports its inclusion whatsoever, even after all this discussion. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I see now!! SolshineBenie (talk) 23:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

so not even a logo on the bottom of a poster means anything regarding 20th Century Studios (meaning it'll not open up with the 20th Century Studios logo (with maybe a 4th wall break to show how the Fox logo got in the void) and it'll mean nothing (no copyright or credit either) literally. Even with Paramount Pictures doing the same with Indiana Jones 5, Avengers (2012), and Iron Man 3. And no 20th Century Studios film has been distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures at the end of their films. Why can't Disney give 20th Century Studios credit for something they originally owned until 2019 when they were bought? They're not using the company to disturb their mature content (since Hollywood Pictures is gone) while Disney disturbs the G to PG-13 content. 2601:408:701:BD10:AB50:CF1D:DF89:D9E4 (talk) 02:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Thus far, everyone who has pointed to the logo has speculated about 20th Century's involvement without providing any sources that actually back-up those claims. See WP:SYNTHESIS for more on this concept. We cannot go off of a logo alone as proving 20th actually produced this film, and the fact it was not listed as a credited production company in this billing or as a distributor is enough weight that it is not credited other than for holding copyright to the Deadpool and Wolverine characters. We have a source affirming Disney is distributing this film, and it does not matter what other films or studios have done in the past, per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. From a real-world perspective, this is not out of the ordinary or hard to grasp upon, so I'm not sure why so many are hung over this logo and studio when it is clearly not directly involved. This talk page is also not the place to speculate about this logo or what it entails, and I will note that any further comments of that notion ought to be removed for being irrelevant, per WP:NOTAFORUM. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Can you at least state "This Is the first Deadpool film not to have 20th Century Studios' involvement" (the logo in the void doesn't count as being involved) if this turns out to be true when it releases in theaters? 2601:408:701:BD10:AB50:CF1D:DF89:D9E4 (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

That is WP:UNDUEWEIGHT and unnecessary to state anywhere, either in the lead or otherwise. 20th Century Studios is NOT involved in this and I don't see any sources indicating that will change from now to its release next month. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Clearer shot of the billing block. It does seem that 20th Century only is getting a copyright for the film, though I don't know how we reflect that, if we even need to. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it needs a mention (especially in the lead) as that would be WP:UNDUEWEIGHT. Still not sure why so many cared about this in the first place. 20th isn't credited as a production company, so there really isn't any place to include them unless we have any sources that make light about this in some noteworthy way. At the very least, we may want to include the copyright on the poster file itself (it would be preferable to have the billing on the file, though I know that is not always available). Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I found the American poster with billing here and have since uploaded it, and noted 20th's copyright on the file, as well. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

So what does the poster mean for 20th Century Studios? Are they just a copyright holder or are they distributing the film (with the logo shown on the theatrical poster)? Both Deadpool films before this one weren’t produced but distributed by 20th Century Studios (Fox at the time). 2601:408:701:BD10:11A4:44A2:9F4F:F9DF (talk) 16:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

As explained above, Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures is the distributor, per this source. 20th Century only receives copyright credit for its involvement in the prior Deadpool films. We don't know if/where it's logo may be shown in the film, either, nor does it mean they are a production company. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:35, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Just want to mentions that the source you provided doesn't have any information about Deadpool & Wolverine.

Also, "20th isn't credited as a production company" is no longer can be a proof that 20th Century Studios not join in the production of this film since all New Regency films since 2022 also don't credited 20th as a production company. Plus, I found that IMDB is listed 20th Century Studios as one production company ([1], but I don't think this can be the best support source)

But by the way, instead waste time to argue these things, with I think the best way to conform "is 20th Century Studios received credit for this film" is wait the film's release and eveything will be clear. 2001:1970:57A3:D100:0:0:0:27C8 (talk) 00:07, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Altough we can not put the IMDB source of Company credits of Deadpool and Wolverine as 20th Century Studios is credited as "co-production, in association with" which the movie is distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures through their Walt Disney Pictures banner, so ofc, let's have hope if the 20th Century Fox logo appears but getting destroyed as a logo variant in the opening. TCFFanmade2006YT (talk) 00:18, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

https://www.ign.com/movies/deadpool-wolverine

In the IGN page of Deadpool & Wolverine mentions 20th Century Studios as distributor under the name of Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. TCFFanmade2006YT (talk) 00:27, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Those are not the official credits and Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation is a former name of 20th Century that is still sometimes used. IGN is also not the best source for these credits, anyway. The facts still stand that 20th Century Studios is NOT a production company or distributor, and I added an FAQ at the top of this talk to emphasize that for anyone else who may have this question. No other sources are going to reliably prove otherwise, so I would encourage those attempting to find a way to justify something that has been proven to be incorrect to just WP:DROPTHESTICK. 20th is only a copyright credit, and I feel this may be the last time I re-explain this for the time being and let the FAQ speak for itself. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

I would like to note that the only possible way 20th could be credited in this film is "Distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures through the 20th Century Studios label". But nobody can prove this technical knowledge right now. That is how, I believe all modern 20th Century films are distributed, as you'll know that 20th Century's theatrical and home entertainment distribution are handled by Walt Disney Studios MP and Walt Disney Home Ent, respectively. But hey, nobody can prove that, so I agree with you Trailblazer, let's not do anything until we see some receipts. Thank you for putting a great deal of your time into discussing to the other editors just why they don't need to jump the gun on this. With love, BarntToust (talk) 17:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

I can support that. SolshineBenie (talk) 16:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

There is nothing to support here as there is still no reliable source for anything, nor do we know if any source will provide any relevant details about this yet. If a source does eventuate that sheds some light about this copyright credit and logo use, then we can have a separate discussion about it (rather than dragging this on for longer than it needs to be). I will note that the marketing art for The Fantastic Four also include the 20th Century copyright credit, so this is not something inherently new or out of left field. All it takes is time and patience, and may I remind everyone of WP:NORUSH, WP:OR, and WP:SYNTH. Thank you. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, we understand that. SolshineBenie (talk) 18:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Just wanted to say that I uploaded a new version of the poster image (which now includes the MPA rating box, Hollywood Records' logo, etc.) that was missing from that earlier one. Looks more complete now. It does need to be resized though, so if anyone can do that bit that would be great! I tried myself but I couldn't for the life of me get it to look good without hampering quality! Also, adding my two cents: I completely agree with Trailblazer101's approach to this issue. In situations like these, it's always prudent to take the wait-and-see approach: do not speculate, synthesize info, or theorize! ~ Jedi94 (Want to tell me something?) 22:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jedi94: I tagged the image for Wikipedia's internal bots to come and reduce the size. Usually the safest/most accurate way to get it done. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:42, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Trailblazer101 Hey, thanks for again repeating my sentiments on how we treat treat why/how the 20th Century logo appears, and thank you for pointing out the credit of F4 art. I do believe @SolshineBenie was remarking that this is possible, not that anything tangible exists to support. We would do well to understand how most of the companies work in distribution, so we can better comprehend this project we all seem so dedicated to work on. I wanna thank you once again for explaining and carrying discourse around this topic. I think that if anything comes of this, a new discussion is needed. It does take a bit of scrolling to get here to add a comment, lol! Thank you for establishing order to this discussion, it really helps to benefit this article. With much love, BarntToust (talk) 04:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93 it's on this in this article as followed:

"Hugh Jackman as Logan in 'Deadpool & Wolverine'. 20TH CENTURY STUDIOS/MARVEL - https://ew.com/deadpool-and-wolverine-cover-story-cameos-future-marvel-mutants-ryan-reynolds-hugh-jackman-8672079 2600:6C5D:0:A41:EC69:8561:4580:1FD6 (talk) 01:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@2600:6C5D:0:A41:EC69:8561:4580:1FD6

also:

https://www.20thcenturystudios.com.au/movies/deadpool-and-wolverine 2600:6C5D:0:A41:EC69:8561:4580:1FD6 (talk) 01:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Again, that is just a copyright credit that 20th retains for this film. It does not confirm them as a production company. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Via sources like Variety and Metacritic: A Walt Disney Motion Pictures Studios release of a Marvel Studios production, in association with 20th Century Studios, TSG Entertainment. Producers: Kevin Feige, Ryan Reynolds, Shawn Levy, Lauren Shuler Donner. Executive producers: Louis D’Esposito, Wendy Jacobson, Mary McLaglen, Josh McLaglen, Rhett Reese, Paul Wernick, George Dewey, Simon Kinberg 2601:408:701:BD10:CDEA:41D4:9D54:57DD (talk) 23:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Per page 3 of the official credits PDF, 20th Century Studios and TSG Entertainment's "In Association With" credit is not the same as a production credit. Again, this is a Marvel Studios / Maximum Effort / 21 Laps Entertainment production. 20th's copyright credit and TSG co-financing the film DO NOT make them production companies, and they are clearly not credited as such. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

If anyone has seen the film, please let us know if the 20th Century Studios logo appears in it as an actual opening logo. Thanks! Mattgelo (talk) 04:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

That would change literally nothing. The logo is not shown in the end credits with the others (as seen from pages 27-29 here), and even if it were just the logo shown on screen, that would not change the fact that 20th Century Studios is ONLY credited for the copyright and "In Association With", but not as a production company. No technicalities will change that, even after all this discussion, no evidence has proved 20th being a production studio. Please WP:DROPTHESTICK, this is clearly not going to turn out any differently than it has already. As someone who is seeing the film tomorrow at midnight and works at a movie theater reviewing the footage, this will not matter in the grand scheme of things. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

I didn't say to add 20th as a production/distribution company here, I was just curious, and I know it will not change a thing. Anyways, hope you enjoy the movie :) Mattgelo (talk) 04:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Then that falls under WP:NOTAFORUM. Please keep discussion here for any contributions to this article and refrain from making any general comments, as those are not appropriate here. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

The writing debuts of Ryan Reynolds and Shawn Levy

Prior to this, they only worked as directors and producers on several projects, so I think the writing debuts of Reynolds and Levy should be mentioned on this movie's page. Mattgelo (talk) 06:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

That is factually incorrect as Reynolds was a writer on Deadpool 2. As for Levy, we would need a reliable source to verify this, though I am not sure if it is even notable here. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh right, I forgot Reynolds wrote DP2. As for Levy, I think it's notable as he has never wrote any movies and TV shows prior to this. Mattgelo (talk) 09:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Runtime

The runtime is 128 minutes and not 127, per source already in the page and also this one: https://www.bbfc.co.uk/release/deadpool-wolverine-q29sbgvjdglvbjpwwc0xmde5ndm4 127m 45s rounded is 128 minutes 95.244.143.90 (talk) 23:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 04:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, but someone reverted it to 127 again--95.244.143.90 (talk) 09:54, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I reverted it back as the user didn't give explanation on the edit they made. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 10:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

The most expensive R-rated movie ever made(?)

Idk if TMDB is a reliable source, but I found out from that website that the budget for this movie is US$250m, making it the most expensive R-rated film ever, tied with Gladiator II (the bloody violence from the trailer alone makes it automatically an R-rated movie). So I would like some confirmation first. Mattgelo (talk) 09:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Mattgelo, on TMDB's website: Our data is 100% user contributed. We encourage you to add missing items yourself and edit any incorrect data that you find. You can click on "Edit" on any movie, TV show, people or collection entry to access the editing interface. Because of this, it is not a reliable source (per WP:USERG). Centcom08 (talk) 10:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I've removed this claim from the article because it is WP:UNDUEWEIGHT and has not been supported by reliable sources outside of the budget itself. I don't think this is particularly relevant unless it is brought up by multiple sources. We don't make this determination based on the budget, as that is WP:OR. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Cast list

@Trailblazer101: The cast list shown at the world premiere should take precedence over the billing block until the credits, since it’s from an official Marvel Studios source (even if it says “not for publication”) Shit happens, and since now that’s out I don’t see why we can’t switch to it. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 23:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

That is just a slip of paper at the premiere and not a billing block, and per MOS:FILMCAST, we should follow what is "1) the prominence of the cast in the film, 2) the amount of real-world context for the whole cast or its members, and 3) the structure of the article." This is just a list of known actors and admittedly many of them are likely not in this film for that long other than the beginning. We know many other characters will be in this, so following WP:MCUFILMCAST, we should wait until the film releases and the final main on-end credits are shown to adjust this cast order. Also, removing some names that are reliably sourced solely based on this cast list is improper. Again, there is WP:NORUSH in laying out a cast order when it will inevitably change within days once it releases. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

« Glam-rock like Wolverine » variant

It is actually the Age of Apocalypse version from the comics (with the severed left hand). It is surprising the IGN reviewer ignored this. 2A01:E34:EC07:A230:8427:A5C5:A5AE:80E6 (talk) 02:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Source? Why does the IGN journalist matter? Is the IP editor behind this comment still able to see this? BarntToust (talk) 03:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2024

Can you please add 20th Century Studios since they are co-producers of this film.

Source: https://variety.com/2024/film/reviews/deadpool-and-wolverine-review-ryan-reynolds-hugh-jackman-1236082128/ 122.55.235.123 (talk) 08:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)