Talk:Dawn of the Planet of the Apes

Sign Language in film

Throughout the film, the Apes communicate with each other through American Sign Language, which takes up just as much dialogue as the English spoken by the human characters. Several online reviews such as The Washington Post, The Wire, and The Independent even point this out. Yet some editors here refuse to acknowledge American Sign Language as a language used in this film due to the Template:Infobox film clause of "only the primary language should be listed." However, the clause also states that "Only in rare cases of clearly bilingual or multilingual films, enter separate entries with a line break (<br />)," meaning that American Sign Language can and should be listed on the infobox. - Areaseven (talk) 13:38, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I disagree. That is not the purpose of the infobox. The category American Sign Language films has been left on the page's bottom. Interested readers can find it that way. It does not belong in the infobox. It's an English language film. - Gothicfilm (talk) 02:21, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Your argument is illogical, Gothicfilm. This type of thing is precisely the reason for the exception clause. This film is abnormal. Half the dialogue is subtitled. Replace the ASL content with spoken French and you'd have a film that most users would define as 'bilingual'. I vote for inclusion in the infobox. Mrstonky (talk) 10:07, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Nowhere near ″half″ the dialogue is subtitled. - Gothicfilm (talk) 21:37, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Starting year for "simian flu" epidemic

The Plot section currently begins "Starting in 2016, the ALZ-113 virus causes the collapse of human civilization." There are three short films which 20th Century Fox has released online which bridge the 10 year gap between Rise and Dawn. Two of these give 2011 as the starting year. They can be viewed here: http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/watch-planet-of-the-apes-short-films-document-gap-between-rise-and-dawn-1201257334/

In addition, the http://www.simianflu.com/us/ website which Fox has setup as part of a viral(!) marketing campaign also gives 2011 as the start date. As both the short films and the website are official Fox tie-ins to the Dawn film, it seems best to use 2011 in the Wikipedia article as well. Where did the 2016 date come from? Awhile ago, it was 2018? What date does the screenplay use? Mtminchi08 (talk) 02:35, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

If something is not given in the film, it should not be in the Plot section. For the Plot section the only source that matters is the film itself. Not other films or media. - Gothicfilm (talk) 02:43, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Ok. But where is the 2016 date coming from? I don't recall seeing any specific year mentioned in the film itself. Mtminchi08 (talk) 02:47, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Doesn't matter where it came from. If it's not in the film it should be removed. - Gothicfilm (talk) 02:59, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

The plot section should only give story points and dates found in the film itself. Material readers discover in other media, including tie-ins from the marketing campaign, should not be used to fill in details not seen in the film itself. The only time frame given in the film is that it has been ten winters since the virus hit humans. Anything beyond that should be removed. This will also stop people from changing the date around. - Gothicfilm (talk) 03:22, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Science fiction???

I saw the movie in theaters, and I don't think it deserved the genre "science fiction" to be marketed with it. I do believe that the previous film was science fiction, but this movie barely feels like it is. It's really an action film, probably a drama as well. If you think it's science fiction, leave a comment down below! While you're at it, put down some parts of the movie that do make it science fiction. - Theironminer (talk) 15:44, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

It has advanced apes that can talk. It has a fictional virus. It's set in a futuristic dystopian environment, etc. All the POTA films are firmly established as science fiction by a multitude of reliable sources. - Gothicfilm (talk) 22:07, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Should it still be called an action movie as well? - Theironminer (talk) 02:35, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

• Both. See your talk page--Taeyebaar (talk) 05:26, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

No, that's not a primary genre here, like it is with Predator. - Gothicfilm (talk) 15:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Who he?

"In response, Caesar heavily beats Koba, but since he does not kill other apes, he then chooses to forgive him." This is not merely unclear, but opaque. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 17:32, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Redundant phrase

In the second paragraph of the "Plot" section, it says, quote, "Caesar leads and governs". Isn't "leads and governs" a bit redundant? Elsquared (talk) 05:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Ceasar's second son

I have seen the movie twice and i don't remember hearing neither Ceasar nor Cornelia giving a name to his second son. I'll delete that detail until someone confirms it for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumerwritter (talk • contribs) 07:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Percentage of humans died in the pandemic

In the beginning of the film it is stated that 1 in 500 humans will survive the virus, which means 99.8% died if they got infected. It is not stated, as far as I could tell, how many humans got infected. They do state, though, that all the humans in San Francisco were immune, i.e. all had been exposed and survived. The opening graphics indicated that the virus spread worldwide, but presumably some remote tribes/villages could have escaped the virus? I amended the number in the Plot section from 90 to 99%, which seems like a prudent number. Kawayama (talk) 02:57, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

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