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Latest comment: 5 months ago10 comments7 people in discussion
Sideswipe9th, the article was changed in this edit a few months ago, despite having been stable for a long time before that. If you want to keep it changed, I think you should obtain a consensus here (or a broader one). The RFC at MOS:SUICIDE is pretty clear that people don't want to ban "commit". Unless there's some good reason to change it (and there isn't), it shouldn't have been changed in the first place. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 06:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have just reverted a change to "died by" back to "committed" per the existing consensus that the IP has noted here. However I note that Frank did point to a twitter post that seems to be referring to a style guide that recommends avoiding "committed". That being the case, it may be time to revisit the issue. However a new consensus is still needed to over-ride an existing one. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
True, but MOS:SUICIDE does state that while "committed suicide" is not banned, it is discouraged by many of the external style guides the MOS derives from. There's some pretty convincing arguments in those style guides for why we shouldn't use that terminology. Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think "that's the way we've always done it" is a poor reason to avoid a more enlightened (though I don't love that word) terminology. I fully understand there isn't a consensus to ban the use of "committed". Equally important, though, I don't think there's a good reason to avoid a move to a more modern wording that acknowledges the subject is complex. I don't think it's controversial to make the following statment: Died by is factual, while committed is far more likely to imply things that aren't intended or necessarily factual. Frank | talk 22:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
Personally I dislike the passive "died by suicide". The style guides suggest "killed himself" would be fine. Avoids "committed" but remains active. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 23:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply