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Latest comment: 15 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
Hi Jpeeling, Thanks for your contribution to this article and Wiki. You are a good editor. However, I have re-placed the Notability banner on this article. And here is why.....According to Wiki guidelines WP:NOTABILITY notability is demonstrated by 'reliable third party sources' like news and magazine articles about the player. Wiki does give some leeway to 'fully professional level' athletes WP:ATHLETE as you have very nicely cited. But that does not create a clear grounds for inclusion on Wiki as stated in the WP:NOTABILITY "Additional Criteria" section: "Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." If this was an article of length with good references I would not push so hard on this point but given that the article is a stub with no references and that the fully professional status has not been clearly substantiated. I insist on keeping the NOTABILITY banner on the article until other editors and/or the author of the article create more content with good sources. Hope that's OK with you. Thanks! :-) --Kbob (talk) 16:14, 22 May 2009 (UTC)Reply
Is anybody OK when someone undos their edit :) To me there are thousands of articles which don't meet the GNG but have been created solely because WP:ATHLETE exists.
As the notability tag states it acts as a 'feeler' on whether the article should be deleted or not but I don't think the tag applies to this article as it meets a SNG. I've seen many similarly minor cricketers go to Afd but not a single one that met WP:ATHLETE got deleted. You may want to try and set a precedent but with those thousands of articles dependent on WP:ATHLETE 'standing up' it means the chances of getting this deleted are very slim to none.
Perhaps it's because I contribute mainly to cricket articles but I think that the Athlete guideline works alongside the GNG, and as long as the subject meets one of the two criteria it should stay. However I can see why others think the guideline is weak especially in a case like this when a player with just a single first-class match on his record is considered 'notable'.
Thanks Jp for agreeing to disagree and leaving the banner. My purpose is not to get the article deleted, and I doubt it will be, but rather to honor Wiki's sensitivity to biographies of living persons and to inspire an editor to expand and fortify the article. Which at present is a stub with one sentence. Also has the 'fully professional' status been verified? I see a reference that he is first class. Are all first class players 'fully professional' ie employed full time by their sport? Hopefully the article will expand soon so we can remove the banners and both be happy. Best Wishes, Kbob --Kbob (talk) 13:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)Reply
