Talk:Dave Emory

Need more details about his background

Article needs to mention Mae Brussell since he's a protige of hers. How did that happen? Did they work together or collaberate on anything? Where did this guy to go school? Have any long career stints? military service? Does he live in his aunt's basement or what? He has to pay his bills somehow. How long has he been doing research? Been on the radio? etc. While FTR is interesting and all I'd like to know where this guy is coming from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.8.148.89 (talk) 19:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Emory's McCarthyism: "Basso voce researcher Dave Emory – hamburger cook by day, self-proclaimed Brussell Sprout by night..."[1]

Kortoso (talk) 18:45, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

"Emory's past is seldom discussed. His father, writes Paul Bernardino, host of a cable television program in San Francisco, committed him to an institution and narcotics program 20 years ago. Emory has told several people, including Tom Davis (a northern California book retailer) that he was sexually abused in a prison in Boston. He has attempted suicide several times via cars and narcotics. His emotional problems drove him to overdose on narcotics in a 1988 suicide attempt." The full article is here: [2] [3]

N.B.: If even a tiny bit of what Dave Emory says is true, then one can expect him to be the subject of smear campaigns and character assassinations galore.

Kortoso (talk) 18:55, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Read the actual words on the page: "Emory has told several people, including Tom Davis ..." The source you are impugning is Dave Emory. Tom Davis was a book seller in the area. He sold anti-fascist, parapolitical books. He was a close friend of Mae Brussell. The source wasn't Fox News. It was Emory.2600:1702:2211:2030:35C2:234B:971A:E899 (talk) 03:53, 4 March 2023 (UTC)David Farr

Ditto

According to Emory's own website he graduated Amherst with a degree in psychology. If I can find that out in five minutes, why can't anyone here do the heavy lifting of providing detailed biographical info for this article? -- Egomet_Bonmot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.195.247 (talk) 09:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

untitled

According to the the spitfire website, Dave Emory does his broadcasts from Cupertino, California, which is located in the San Francisco Bay Area. His distributor is based in Ben Lomond, California, but he is not. --Ggus 05:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

He is a proponent of a belief that neofascists are using various aspects of popular culture - such as some forms of industrial music and gothic music - and the occult, to promote fascist beliefs.

Is there any support for this? Dave Emory says all kinds of hard-to-believe stuff, but has he really implied that?

--babbage 18:35, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Mr. Emory really believes that. Woe to anyone that buys Mr. Emory's line of pro-Israel nonsense.

I have corrected the original claim. Emory did not make these claims about gothic or industrial music. http://www.spitfirelist.com/f211.html

--babbage 00:56, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Babbage clearly hasn't done his or her homework. The "pro-Israel nonsense" suggests that Babbage might be of fascist persuasion. In any event, there are firm indications of fascists at work in popular culture. Check out http://www.spitfirelist.com/f437.html

--wow, so all you need to do to become "of fascist persuasion" is to make a critical remark about Israel?

No, but anyone who characterizes Mr. Emory's work, on Israel or anything else, as "pro-Israel nonsense" is suspect. Just as anyone who dismisses the views of anyone who does happen to be pro-Israel as nonsense is suspect. The subject of Israel occupies a very small part of Emory's work. And, Mr./Ms. Babbage, anyone who has failed to note the efforts on the part of Nazis and other fascists to use popular culture to spread their message should tread lightly. There is abundant evidence of that.

In closing, note Emory's work on fascist/Zionist connections. You obviously know little about Emory or, for that matter, much of anything else.

>>Every group tries to influence popular culture. Saying "anyone who has failed to note the efforts on the part of Nazis and other fascists to use popular culture to spread their message should tread lightly." can be just as valid by substituting the word Nazis with "Scientologists", "NeoCons", "Catholics", "Jews". What's your point? Someone makes a comment regarding Israel and you automatically suggest that they are fascist. Nobody can criticize Israel without this sort of foobar. Saying "you obviously know little about ... much of anything else" really just shows how intolerant YOU are.

My thoughts, too. Of course all those interest groups do exist, substituting that with "Nazis" and designing a conspiracy theory around this is hilarious to nutty.--41.151.118.231 (talk) 08:32, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Who else believes emory's theories and what is the origin of them?

I remember seeing somewhere on the web, that like this article says, a lot of his beliefs were inspired by an old lady. Now I see that he gets interviews on his show frequently, so there must be a few people who believe his viewpoints. Is there any name they call themselves, or are called by others? I do not believe the blankent term "anti-fascist researcher" is adequate because if you look in that category, you will find a lot of anti neo-nazi and anti-"right wing nationalist" groups like in britain, very different then alledging real literal nazi's secretly in the us government. _____________________________________________________________________ Mae Brussell and Dave Emory... The late Mae Brussell inspired Mr. Emory. She was the first researcher to make the connections between the JFK assassination and Watergate. During the seventies and eighties she presented a weekly radio program and wrote many article for various publications, including Paul Krassner's The Realist magazine. Mr. Emory carries on her work with a deep reading of current events and presents their relation to history, in particular WWII. Mr. Emory's show was once called One Step Beyond and aired on Sunday evenings on KFJC in nothern California. His co-host was Nip Tuck, aka Tad Williams, the prolific science-fiction writer. Nip Tuck's good humor and enthusiasm combined with Mr. Emory's research for a fascinating blend of news and commentary. Mr. Emory has presented shows dealing with AIDS as a biological weapon, the O.J. Simpson case and white supremacy, UFOs and the New Age as politcal manipulation, the assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK and Malcom X, mind control, etc. Currently Mr. Emory is focused on the connections between Islamic-Fascism and Hitler and German National Socialism.

I, for one, believe in him (sorta kinda). The information he provides is apparently solid and well researched; he is at the very least open about his sources, which is more than can be said about many "conspiracy theorists". The one major weakness is that his theories seem to be heavily based on guilt-by-association. Jonas Liljeström (talk) 00:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I am just listening to one his podcasts on how Germany is still a "Nazi" state. He's got a serious voice, but what he says is pretty loony and often contradicted by his own sources. --41.151.122.85 (talk) 07:05, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

His theories are completely based on guilt by association -- "connect the dots" gone wild. It's much like numerologists finding secret messages in the bible or Shakespeare's plays ... anything and everything can be found this way, independent of the truth. -- 71.102.129.188 (talk) 07:52, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

What is Emory's take on the war in Iraq?

Does anyone know of any programs Mr.Emory has done on the neocons and their connection to the war in Iraq?

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There is an enormous amount of backlog on the Spitfire site, which is searchable, so discussions here can only point there[4]. If Emory is capable of anything, it's providing an abundance of information.

The neocons and, more succinctly, the Project for the New American Century are not exactly a secret, and discovering or promulgating a "connection" between them and the Iraq war is somewhere on the order of espousing a "connection" between Hollywood and, well, movies.

It's not esoteric stuff.

But Emory expands the context—neocons inlcuded—of the Iraq war (a "Proxy War"[5] in Emory's ken) into the larger framework of the oft-proffered Underground Reich theory. It may seem complex, outlandish even, but it isn't so crazy if you allow for the fact that institutions—like the German-based multinational cartels who bankrolled the Nazi rise in Germany—evolve. They do not simply go away. (In the case of the dye and chemical mega-cartel I.G. Farben, there is no historical precedent of its scale by which to really compare or comprehend it, much less track the course of its capital interests and maneuverings from the 19th century through the Cold War, and present the whole thing intelligibly.)

So, it's easy (and obviously useful to some) to marginalize, discredit and thus dismiss someone like Emory as a conspiracy nut—he is an outsider, his style is digressive, rambling, self-admittedly pedantic, and there's the voice thing, etc. He's basically a commentator, not an established scholar or professional journalist (to name only two professions whose credibility is slipping rapidly). Nor is he particularly pro-Israel, certainly not anti-Semitic, but basically—sounds corny—anti-fascist.

Rather than hitching his wagon to the established order where it's de rigueur to bank on the passivity, forgetfulness and weakness of a consumer-client-audience, Emory presents his work as an appeal to the listener, each listener: See for yourself, read for yourself, think for yourself.

Agree or not, to follow this admonition and delve into Emory's material—among which there are many fascinating and creditable writers to be found—will likely change your way of looking at history, and to many that is a threat. --Blaswell 06:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Dave Emory has mentioned Israel many times, including how Israel was set up to look foolish in the John Demnanjuk trial. His take on the Liberty incident is that the attack was deliberate and conducted in order to neutralize an NSA electronic intelligence gathering operation that was giving information to the Egyptian army. This operation was allegedly conducted in order to curry favor with the Arabs on behalf of the US oil lobby who have support Arab interests in direct contravention of official US State Department policy. So to state Emory will not discuss Israel, is not true

Current Events

Is it true that David Emory backs Israel's invasion of Lebanon?

I am not sure actually "backs" the invasion, however he strongly anti-Hizbollah (sp?). It is essentially an extension of Iran in the area which is lead by a holocaust denier, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He is anti-Hamas because it's an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. He has said he is basically supportive of Israel's existence and cause, however he also points out there are plenty of Israeli politicians who've done horrible things. He notes that there were some fascist elements within the Zionist movement.

-regular listener on his home station KFJC, Los Altos Hills CA.

If anyone is seriously interested in Emory's work, they should visit his website at: www.spitfirelist.com In addition to long, annotated descriptions of his programs, the website features a small library of long out-of-print anti-fascist books that are available for download for free.

Of particular importance is "Martin Borman: Nazi in Exile" by the late Paul Manning. [Manning was one of Edward R. Murrow's staff during World War II. The focal point of "Good Night and Good Luck", Murrow was one of the greatest broadcast journalists of all time. Manning broadcast the surrender of Germany and later Japan on the CBS radio network. Later, he undertook his research on the postwar activities of Martin Bormann and an SS underground. This research was conducted with the encouragement of Edward R. Murrow and was partially financed by CBS News, which eventually declined to go with the story.] A summary of the Manning text is available at: www.spitfirelist.com/f305.html Hope this helps.

We suggest that you visit Emory's website at: www.spitfirelist.com and use the search function. Try, for example, "PNAC" + "Zionist" and see what you come up with.

In general, if you would like to know what Emory says or thinks, or what his sources are, his voluminous website is the place to go.

dave not david

shouldn't the title of this page be dave emory? Peterhoneyman 14:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

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Actually, it could be both.

He uses Dave Emory on the radio, and as I recall, at times when speaking publicly he's used David Emory on print and ad materials.

Mister X, radio guy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.231.4 (talk) 07:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Questions re Buchanan following major revision

Looks like RFDodge has done the cleanup. Refreshing neutrality. Question: Is candidate John Buchanan one in the same as journalist John Buchanan? (See dismabiguation.) Is he really a frequent interview guest? Blaswell (talk) 14:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I wish it could be pointed out that he's marvellously entertaining in the best sense

It's been years since my late night commutes took me within range, but I always liked David Emory because, amongst other things, he has a great voice and his conspiracy theories as spun by him were massive and long and made for a giant web of late night radio stay awake on the freeway goodness.

70.7.28.51 (talk) 21:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

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While I agree that Dave Emory can be quite "entertaining", and perhaps you may be joking about him being a "conspiracy theorist", but I believe you do his work a dis service by saying that.

He only uses publicly available documents, and has an uncanny ability to look at "the big(ger) picture" than most folks do, and in no way is he a "conspiracy theorist", in fact, if you put in the time to do your own research, you'll see that it's more like a nefarious well thought out long term business plan, than a conspiracy.

I started working at KFJC FM in 1980, so I've known Dave E. for awhile now (though I haven't seen him in 15 years), and when I first heard his radio show I couldn't believe what I was hearing because I'd already run across the now late, Mae Brussel's radio show, and their shows sounded very similar and quite frankly, unbelievable.

So I started doing my own research, and after six months I wasn't so sure he was a crack pot after all, and after a year, I knew he was on to something very big, so big, that most folks can only glaze over or attack the messenger upon hearing this information.

Later on, I hung out with him at a "radio house" when I'd go to visit some of my other radio friends who lived there, so I've spent some time talking to Dave outside of his "radio personality" and he comes off as intense as he is on the radio, but he's a caring individual who's deeply concerned by what he's been reading/seeing for the last 30 or so years and he feels compelled to share that information with anybody who will listen.

He's certainly one of the most altruistic people I've ever known, as he gave up a career to pursue these issues, and attempt to bring them to public notice.

He's always said "follow the money", and used public sources, and kept conjecture to a minimum, and it's lead to some very "interesting" places.

- Mister X, Radio Guy, and AKA Mike Steele, former music programmer on KFJC FM

Of course a conspiracy theorist is exactly what he is, as are you ... he infers all sorts of things that go way beyond the facts he starts with; being deeply concerned or altruistic has nothing to do with it ... most conspiracy theorists are quite sincere, just wrongheaded. An example is Emory's latest schtick of attacking people who "like Glenn Greenwald" because Greenwald, as a lawyer, defended a bad guy. He says that, if you don't "like" Greenwald's "milieu", you shouldn't "like" Greenwald. That's utterly fallacious and irrational.

Anyway, this page is not for testimony for or against Dave Emory ... it is strictly for improving the article. -- 71.102.129.188 (talk) 08:03, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

The Falling out with Nip Tuck

There's a whole backstory not even alluded to. All available from multiple sources on the internet. Apparently some cia woman feeds him all his stories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.160.220 (talk) 05:00, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Emory/Emory_bio.html I don't think I can listen to KFJC anymore with Mr. Emory still on the schedule and promoted for people to remain ignorant and make donations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.241.2.38 (talk) 13:54, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

I'd like to see Ken Rahn provide clearer sources.

Kortoso (talk) 19:01, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Nip Tuck dropped off the edge of this discussion, so let's return to the topic: Emory worked with him for years, then learned that his partmer once taught English at a military base. Dave's mind works this way - the merest "connection" constitutes guilt. So Tuck was a devious intelligence "presence," and Dave took to the air to denounce him. But when Dave attacks someone this way, it's important to understand that public humiliation is the way Emory settles scores. If one has the misfortune to cross him, he will search far and wide for any plausible-sounding "connection" to load his slander gun. In Nip Tuck's case, it was the military base. Then Dave builds on it. The "connection" itself has "connections," so it was possible to claim that his ex-partner was "in the CIA" because the military and intelligence community are both components of the national security state. If Tuck was operating undercover, then his assignment was to subvert risky, self-described "Herculean" labors: reading selected passages from mass-marketed books on the air.

Not that Dave actually believed Tuck was a CIA agent. This is how to "get even." He can lean into the microphone and in a vague, Gunner Joe "only I understand" tone of voice, viciously smear an innocent.

Incidentally, the allegations are moot now. Emory and Tuck have since resolved their differences, so the latter isn't "in the CIA" anymore. We can all breathe a sigh of relief.

This is how to use the power of the microphone. Internet trolls operate the same way. It's a pack of lies, but Dave has no conscience about these things. Donald Trump has the same personality disorder. Decimate anyone who crosses him, or - the ultimate offense -steals a sliver of his limelight.

On her deathbed, Mae Brussell advised Emory to "get help." He does not research alone. Mae fed him research material for years. When she died, he had to fend for himself, and failed miserably. He had a hard time separating fact from disinformation. (BTW, he did eventually find someone to do the actual research for him. This is the elderly woman mentioned in the sections above. She is intelligent, talented, but stridently anti-Muslim. She lives in Napa Valley and feeds research to Dave and Daniel Hopsicker.)

Another example: Edward Snowden had the world's attention. Not Dave. So one lone voice in Cupertino could be heard deriding "Eddie the Friendly Spook." There must be something Dave could cook up to undermine Snowden's image, steal back the attention that rightfully belongs to Dave. "The Friendly Spook," wanted to "make Obama look bad." Never mind that Snowden exposed war crimes and a vast NSA surveillance network that violated a few core Constitutional amendments. Never mind the international debacle that followed the leaks. Everything we knew about Snowden was patently false because Dave had figured it out. Only Dave had the savant's insight to see through the charade.

He posited that Snowden was a Peter Thiel puppet. Precisely the opposite is true. Snowden blew the whistle on classified surveillance tech produced by Thiel's Palantir Corp. As Axios reported on Feb 22, 2017: "Snowden described XKEYSCORE as 'a one-stop-shop for access to the NSA's information,' allowing the agency to read emails, track web traffic, and watch computer activity. o pin down which IP addresses in specific locations visited a certain website at a given time." And we're to believe the Big Tech billionaire and the fugitive whistle-blower were in cahoots?

The unfounded slander was delivered with those grave tones, the McCarthyite innuendo and high seriousness. Dave was the hero now, as it should be. He has done this to many others. Ralph "Vader" Nader was abused by Dave for some time, and it was all very vague. Then one day Emory discovered that the famed, articulate consumer advocate had defense stocks in his portfolio. By this reasoning, anyone who purchases a GE light bulb is corrupt. Or drives a Tesla, takes a Bayer aspirin, or sprays a bottle of pesticide. "Connections" explain all. (Dave doesn't consider that Foothill College also has "connections." Mega-corporatists donate to the college. Uh-oh.) Dave Emory is the truth-bearer, and if anyone has the temerity to think himself his equal, there is always some nugget, some sinister "link," no matter how tenuous, that can be inflated to discredit the interloper.

Dave describes himself as "Spartan." Not exactly. He's an open wound lashing out recklessly, with lies, to settle scores or reinforce his sense of self-importance. He has explained that his listeners sit on the edge of their seats, "waiting for me to hand down the truth." Example: "The Muslim Brotherhood controls the media via the Saudis." Only Dave (and his hard-working source in Napa) understand this. Those of us who have followed his vendettas and lapses of competence roll our eyes. Mae Brussell was correct. He needs to deal with his own issues and leave innocents alone. 2600:1702:2211:2030:35C2:234B:971A:E899 (talk) 01:38, 4 March 2023 (UTC) David Farr

Voice

http://spitfirelist.com/ His newer audio programs, although the voice identifies itself as "Dave Emory", there's no way that's his actual voice. Am I the only one noticing this?

I've noticed this as well. Obviously he's got someone else reading for him. I have yet to see an explanation for it. Kortoso (talk) 18:41, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

I haven't listen to Emory in many years, and I was shocked... for the first 10 seconds or so. His date pronunciation is very distinctive (eg. "Two thousand and six-teeeen..."), and it was signature for me; he clearly has developed some kind of aphasia, stroke symptoms, Bell's palsy or something, but that is certainly Dave Emory. JohndanR (talk) 01:25, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

OK, I've tracked it down to "FTR #749 Interview with John Loftus, Side 1" where he tells Loftus he is recovering from major jaw surgery due to a serious tooth infection, or something like that. It appears that his delivery never did recover, and all recordings since #749 have the same labored speech. JohndanR (talk) 01:40, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Reminder: this is not a chatroom or newsgroup

About half of the text here is people discussing their opinions and conjectures on article's subject. That's what Reddit is for. WP talk pages are for discussing the article and nothing else. (This is not a technicality; rampant kibitzing seriously reduces our ability to edit an article effectively.) For the good of the order. Laodah 02:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

The real problem, and among Wikipedia articles  hardly unique to the man, is that Dave Emory hasn't sufficient notability to warrant an article at all. Comments about Dave are about all one can make on a talk page and this page should be deleted along with its 'article'. JohndanR (talk) 04:06, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I generally agree, Emory is not that notable even among conspiracy nuts. But Wikipedia carries pages on every trivial character from every Anime show ever, every trivial science fiction show, etc. So it's hard to draw the line on notability — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.165.36 (talk) 23:55, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Conspiracy theorist

Since 2017, the article has described Emory as a conspiracy theorist. This is a well merited descriptor; Emory has promoted a long list of conspiracy theories. The article has now, however, switched the description to 'anti-fascist'. Any reason this should not be switched back? Rgr09 (talk) 00:48, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

None of the sources in the article appear to be reliable. I’m generally not in favor of calling someone a CT without sourcing from reliable sources, but I think I saw two Gbook hits to support it. - Location (talk) 04:46, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Dave Emory's Conspiracy-Theory tail so thoroughly wagged his Antifa dog, that I could only consider it reasonable to think it the other way round. One can be both, but honestly he's conspiracy-theorist to the point of deserving being elevated to royal knut hood.JohndanR (talk) 20:01, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I did not find Emory in Knight (2003), a source which was used in several articles on theorists. As far as Google books and Google Scholar are concerned, he is not a frequently cited or mentioned figure. I did find three possible sources:

• Vankin, Jonathan; Whalen, John (2004). The 80 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time: History's Biggest Mysteries, Coverups, and Cabals. Citadel Press. p. 279. ISBN 978-0-8065-2531-0.: Emory is described as a "California conspiracy-radio-host".
• Heberlein, L. A. (2002). The Rough Guide to Internet Radio. Rough Guides. p. 271. ISBN 978-1-85828-961-8.: "Dave Emory is the king of conspiracy radio, reeling through detail after detail in a huge web of connections."
• George, John; Wilcox, Laird M. (1996). American Extremists: Militias, Supremacists, Klansmen, Communists & Others. Prometheus Books. p. 268. ISBN 978-1-57392-058-2.: "One of the major sources of combined left-right conspiracy theories is Dave Emory, heir to the exhaustive conspiracy files of the late Mae Brussel, grand dame of conspiracism."

There is also a web page by Chip Berlet, who pronounces this anathema on Emory and his ilk: "While they are prodigious researchers, many of the theories and conclusions offered by John Judge, Mark Lane, Daniel Sheehan, Dave Emory, Barbara Honegger, Dennis Bernstein, and the late Mae Brussell are seriously flawed, frequently fail to meet minimal standards of logic, and on balance are unreliable. The views of these conspiracy peddlers are frequently promoted on alternative radio programs, and they have created a progressive constituency that confuses demagoguery with leadership, and undocumented conspiracism with serious research."

I don't know if these are sufficient or not. Vankin is a well known source, but it is pretty short. Rough Guide is more direct, but may not be authoritative enough. I was not familiar with George's book but Laird Wilcox is a known figure, and may be sufficient. CB doesn't like Emory, but lots of people don't like CB. Rgr09 (talk) 09:14, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Related reading

I have removed these items from the "Related reading" section:

• Manning, Paul. (1981). Martin Bormann: Nazi in Exile Secaucus, NJ: Lyle Stuart, Inc. (ISBN 0-8184-0309-8)
• Borkin, Joseph. (1978). The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben. New York: The Free Press (MacMillan). (ISBN 0-02-904630-0)
• Rosecrance, Richard. (1999). The Rise of the Virtual State: Wealth and Power in the Coming Century. New York: Basic Books. (ISBN 0465071422)
• Scott, Peter Dale. (1996). Deep Politics and the Death of JFK. Berkeley: University of California. (ISBN 0-520-20519-7)

These books discuss various theories that Dave Emory shares, but they do not discuss him. That is not what this section is for. - Location (talk) 16:39, 14 June 2020 (UTC)