Talk:Danone/Archive 1

Archive 1

Dannon Yogurt

This well-known product should be its own topic not a redirect to this topic. Somebody please fix this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.42.157.5 (talk) 23:07, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Ambiguity

What does Barcelona have to do with the Balkans? That sentence doesn't make sense. --Joy [shallot] 15:06, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The sentence doesn't imply any connection other than that yogurt comes from the Balkans. There is ambiguity, though, in that the text doesn't say where Isaac was from, whether from Spain, the Balkans, or elsewhere (though the name may be Italian or Romanian). ~ 71.32.99.20 05:08, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Etymology

For a precise encyclopedia, do you think we can get a little more specific than that Dannon sounds more "American"...can we (I'm asking the linguists here) go so far as to say it sounds more Germanic/Anglo-Saxon (I use that term linguistically). Thanks ~ 71.32.99.20 05:08, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

It would be more accurate to say that "'Danone' was changed to 'Dannon' to Americanize the pronuniciation."

Yah, I agree. "Danone" in an eggs-over-easy American would be pronunced as "Day-none." So, "Dannon" might be used for the Americans to say "Danone" right. I'm just guessing here. -- 202.81.173.103 12:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

So how is Danone pronounced? The article hints it could be pronounced Dan-One (Dan 1). Or is it pronounced DAN-nun like in this American commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEGlajRNIuA). Or is it more exotic sounding DAN-nōn (long "o" sound)?

Garble and some new information

The 4th paragraph has a garble concerning Soviet georgia. Looks like some words were dropped somewhere.

When Pepsi was interacting with Danone, some other facts appeared in French papers. I am not sure I am certain on all of these, but her they are:

The founder lived in Greece as a child and learned about yoghurt there.

Isaac Carasso lived in Ottoman Salonika, and left before the Greek armies took Salonika. See Isaac Carasso. --Macrakis 17:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Returning to Spain, he was the pioneer in industrial scale production of yoghurt.

He did not "return" to Spain. As a Sephardic Jew, his distant ancestors presumably came from Spain.

his departure from Spain was related to being on the wrong side fo the Spanish Civil War. --Macrakis 17:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

His departure from France to the US and restart there under the Dannon name was a result of his being Jewish and escaping from the Holocaust.

Danone later merge with a glass bottle maker and that family made it a world class company.

Could someone confirm these facts and work them in?

Biscuits sale

As of now, Kraft Foods is now in talks with Groupe Danone over buying its biscuits and cereals division. It was said that it will be both beneficial for the two companies, as Kraft can focus on snacks, while Danone can focus on health foods. The deal will be valued at $7.2 billion. I don't know how to put footnotes, so just Google it. -- 202.81.173.103 13:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Danone International Prize for Nutrition

It is common practice for corporations to promote the corporate brand in this way. Danone is a mass producer of processed foods which wants to be portrayed as a health-oriented company. What better way than to set up an institute for study into the beneficial effects of the types of food which it produces? We should not swallow the publicity about the independence of this establishment - it wears the Danone brand name, and the management knows on which side their bread is buttered. If it was truly independent of Danone, it would probably be called the "Antoine Riboud Institute International" or somesuch. There appear also to be few reliable and independent sources to support the content of the article, meaning it could well fail WP:A. I would contend that this is therefore an extension of Danone corporate communications, and the prize is a best case redirect to Danone Institute International, and a worst case redirect to Groupe Danone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohconfucius (talk • contribs) 23:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

US re-acquisition?

Under Name chapter the following divestment is mentioned:

"In 1951, Daniel Carasso returned to Paris to manage the family's businesses in France and Spain, and the American business was sold off in 1959. In Europe, Danone merged with Gervais, the leading fresh cheese producer in France in 1967, becoming Gervais Danone."

Questions: Is Dannon (America) today a fully independent company/brand? In what fashion is the relationship between Dannon and Danone regulated today? - RomânescEsteLatin (talk) 01:17, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

• Perhaps there may be a little confusion in the text about what exactly was sold off, and the relation to parts of Danone's US business today. I believe the American 'Dannon' today is part of the Group Danone. Its spelling is to give the American market the same sounding name as it does in Europe, that's all. Ohconfucius (talk) 01:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

• Dannon is a subsididary, it was bought back from Beatrice Foods in 1981.[1] Peter E. James (talk) 14:31, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

lawsuit?

Just heard on a Vancouver radio station that Danone lossed a 25 million dollar lawsuit over claims that yogurt is good for you. They must be talking about the probiotic crap they are always going on about in the belly dancer commercials. Any information on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.69.132.224 (talk) 15:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

diminutive?

Article sez:

The factory was named Danone, a Catalan diminutive of the name of his first son, Daniel Carasso.

Now, I don't speak Catalan. But in closely related languages such as Spanish and Italian, the suffix -one or -on is not a diminutive. It's an augmentative, precisely the opposite. --Trovatore (talk) 09:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

According to the Catalan and Spanish Wikipedias, it is a diminutive indeed; seems the meaning of the augmentative has changed into a diminutive sense in Catalan, and I seem to recall having seen diminutives in -one or cognate forms before. What I found immediately more disturbing was the fact that the form Danone looks neither Catalan nor Spanish, and indeed the Spanish Wikipedia gives Danón as Daniel's original nickname (though I presume that in Catalan, it would be Danó). --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

questionable marketing of infant formula in Indonesia

This is already included in our article. I want to cover some additional aspects such that in one case 50% of a low-income family's monthly income was being spent on formula for one child, and at least one quote where Danone itself acknowledges there's a problem. Cool Nerd (talk) 20:33, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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Baby health crisis in Indonesia as formula companies push products, The Guardian, Zoe Williams in Jakarta, 15 Feb. 2013.

' . . . She started feeding Riska formula, rather than breastfeeding her, when her daughter was two months old; she was on contraceptives, and thought it was interfering with her milk supply. The midwife agreed, and gave her a free sample of formula milk. Now she spends 400,000 rupiah (about £26) a month on formula, which is half of her husband's monthly salary. She seemed to be a pretty good example of one of the main problems of formula feeding in Indonesia. Even the cheapest brands punch a huge hole in a poor family's budget, and they end up over-diluting it, which leaves the babies malnourished. . . '

' . . . A Save the Children report due out on Monday will give details of breastfeeding rates and child nutrition across the developing world. Wahdini Hakim, senior programme manager, says that persuading mothers to breastfeed is a more effective intervention than efforts to improve sanitation. . . '

' . . . Sari Husada, a subsidiary of Danone, has sales reps that build relationships with midwives. Up until 2011, it was purely financial – they would get a village midwife to sign up to a contract, which would involve selling a certain number of boxes of formula per month. Their rewards were pretty small – between 1m(£65) and 3m rupiah a year, depending on the number of deliveries the midwife's practice had, and how much formula they sold. This is in manifest breach of the WHO codes, as well as Indonesian regulations, which expressly ban free samples, as well as direct marketing to healthcare workers or new mothers.

'According to Danone, this no longer happens, and has been replaced by a scheme which runs training for midwives. . . '

' . . . Paperwork seen by the Guardian detailing these contracts specifies the change from cash to gifts. Sometimes they'll get a gift, apparently for personal use, like a television or a laptop, but very often, it's something they need for their practice, such as an oxygen canister, a TENS machine or a nebuliser.

'The spokesperson for Danone insists that there is no connection between these events – the gifts are just that, an act of beneficence to the midwife, to help her set up her practice, they are unconditional upon the sales of any formula. . . '

' . . . The Guardian has seen a spreadsheet detailing the number of new mothers contacted, the amount of 0-6 months formula sold, and the proportion of their target this represents. Danone commented: "That may still be happening, that's something we need to address."

'Sari Husada has legitimate links all the way up the chain. Doctors running seminars for midwives are in its pay. It sponsors professional bodies, conferences and midwifery awards (which are then bestowed by the minister for women's empowerment and the protection of children). The sponsorship element sounds innocuous, and is allowed under Indonesian law; but you can forgive the midwives, who do the grunt work for the company and get the smallest rewards, for thinking that everyone else is doing it, so why shouldn't they? . . . '

' . . . the breastfeeding activist group AIMI . . . '

' . . . Save the Children, is tactful – but not completely reticent – about the role of corporations: "I guess promoting breastfeeding is important, but behaviour change needs support at every level, the family, the community, the government … especially where we see that formula companies are a competitor to breastfeeding. . . '

' . . . However, being a charity, it can't say what many activists think, which is that this is an outrage; public health networks, not hugely well established in this country, are just well established enough to act as capillaries for an industry whose profit motive runs directly counter to the interests of public health. . . '

Orphaned references in Groupe Danone

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Groupe Danone's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "AR2014":

• From BASF: "Annual Results 2014". BASF. Retrieved 27 February 2015.
• From Nokia: "Nokia Corporation Report for Q4 2014 and Full Year 2014" (PDF). Nokia Corporation. 29 January 2015. Retrieved 29 Jan 2015.
• From Daimler AG: "Annual Report 2014" (PDF). Daimler. Retrieved 3 March 2015.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 19:49, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

2013 bribery scandal in China

'Danone to name new management at China unit after bribery scandal,' Reuters, Adam Rose, Oct. 14, 2013.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/15/us-china-danone-bribery-idUSBRE99E02020131015

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Edit the Danone page

Hello, I will make some edits on the Danone page. My edits concern the Danone Institute. My draft was patrolled by User Dragonfly Sixtyseven. I hope it will be ok for you :) Solarys-fr (talk) 15:04, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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Should we be matter-of-fact about controversy in the lead?

I answer, yes. We should be as matter-of-fact about controversy as about anything else. The risk on the other side is that it's just going to be a company brochure. I'd rather try and do our best job to cover and include what we know, even though almost by definition the result will be imperfect at any one time. But hopefully, the overall trend is that we will get more references, more recent references, a broader range of references, and more people working on accurately summarizing them.

As it is, we have three references about Danone receiving serious reports and allegations of unethical marketing of infant formula, and in three different countries.

China: SUPERFOOD FOR BABIES: How overcoming barriers to breastfeeding will save children's lives, Save the Children (UK version), 2013, Ch. 6 "breast-milk substitute companies facing conflict of interest," page 35 (47 in PDF), footnote 31 describing the survey includes " . . Within each city, 60 mothers of infants aged 0–6 months were interviewed (through randomised selection within the waiting areas) in one MCH Hospital, one level-3 comprehensive (the highest level in China) hospital MCH Division, one level-2 comprehensive hospital MCH Division – ie, 20 mothers with babies 0–6 months old from each facility were interviewed. . "

Indonesia: Baby health crisis in Indonesia as formula companies push products, The Guardian, 15 February 2013.

Turkey: Newman, Melanie; Wright, Oliver (29 June 2013). "Exclusive: After Nestlé, now Aptamil manufacturer Danone is hit by breast milk scandal Danone accused of misleading mothers and misrepresenting UN". The Independent. London. Retrieved 30 April 2016.

I say, let's run with what we have. Let's include these three sources, in the lead. At the same time, we keep the door open for additional sources, better summary, etc. Cool Nerd (talk) 17:45, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

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