Talk:Cyclura cychlura cychlura

Any reason why this article is at the latin name rather than at 'Andros Island Iguana'? Convention is usually for these to be at common names...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:29, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Andros Island Iguana redirects here. I was following the snake articles on vipers (see Bitis gabonica) on naming convention when i created the Cyclura and Ctenosaura articles, with these two genera, it is common to have one common name refer to as many as 4 different species.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 15:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, that is a good reason, which is why we have the humble cultivated mushroom at its name of Agaricus bisporus. I am not good on lizards, but if there are genuinely a few with no defining names then I guess they're better there. With birds, there has been a huge effort over the years ot ensure each little critter has its own name..Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

For the most part lizards have their own common name, they are just not as widely accepted or used...there are 7 species of Cyclura that can be called "Bahamian Rock Iguanas", including the Andros...it has 2 subspecies and there's another 4 throughout the islands. Ctenosauras are actually worse as their ranges overlap throughout Central America and they also interbreed!--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 20:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I suppose I would have preferred all taxa, whether plant or animal, at their scientific names..but that was not to be. Anyway, if there are specific names that might echo what happened at Common Raven which is where corvus corax actually is, rather than Raven....so if each does have a unique name, it can go there with the "Bahamian Rock Iguana" as a disambig page which expalins the problem, quite a fascinating one, with the extra info above...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Contradictory

This article can't make up its mind whether it is about Cyclura cychlura or Cyclura cychlura cychlura (which are not the same thing). Cyclura cychlura has three subspecies (not two), one of which is Cyclura cychlura cychlura. Whoever created this article was probably confused by the fact that Cyclura cychlura doesn't seem to have a common name, while all of the subspecies do. Perhaps Cyclura cychlura should be spun off into a separate article. Kaldari (talk) 17:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Again, Cyclura cychlura is the parent name of the 3 species taxonomically. The nominate species (Andros Island Iguana) goes by the trinomial C.C. cychlura--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 04:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

You mean 3 subspecies. What evidence do you have that C.C. cychlura is the "nominate species"? Every source I've looked at says that the Andros Island Iguana is a subspecies of Cyclura cychlura and that Cyclura cychlura either has no common english name or is called the "Northern Bahamian Rock Iguana". Look at this page for example, or this one. C.C. cychlura (Andros Island Iguana) and C. cychlura (Northern Bahamian Rock Iguana) are not the same thing. The first is a subspecies of the second. If you think I'm wrong, show me a source. At the very least the article cannot say that Cyclura cychlura inornata and Cyclura cychlura figginsi are subspecies of Cyclura cychlura cychlura. That is utter nonsense. BTW, the IUCN lists the status of Cyclura cychlura as "vulnerable" and the status of Cyclura cychlura cychlura as "endangered", both of which are reported in our article, so that's another example of the article being contradictory. Kaldari (talk) 15:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I have created a new article for Cyclura cychlura at Northern Bahamian Rock Iguana, per the sources listed above. I would like to propose that we use that article for all information about the species Cyclura cychlura and that we use this article for all information about the subspecies C. cychlura cychlura (Andros Island Iguana). BTW, the population for the Northern Bahamian Rock Iguana is 5,000, while the population for the Andros Island Iguana subspecies is only 3,500. Kaldari (talk) 16:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I made some changes. No need to get snarky. I do have a question...I made the same move last night you did today, moving my own text and was yelled at for a copyright violation. How is it you made the move with no such incident?--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 19:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Mike, didn't mean to get snarky. Guess I need to chill out in the Bahamas :) Regarding the copyright issue, I don't think there's any easy solution here since the text cannot be cleanly separated and attributed, and the current text is clearly about both the species and the subspecies (so there's no easy move solution either). I will put a note in the Northern Bahamian Rock Iguana history referencing this article, so that there is some kind of reference to the source of the text at least. Kaldari (talk) 19:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

No prob. I was having a bad day watching Blue iguana get vandalized over 100 times and being unable to respond, etc. Mainpage day makes me want to choke someone out worse than the typical wikivandal! I think I created Cyclura cychlura cychlura in haste (I meant to come back and fix it and got sidetracked between other articles and life!) so I apologize if it was confusing. Looks like you got it on track. I'm considering getting my own breeding pair of Exumas in a few months, I should have some nice photos then! --Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 20:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that would be awesome. Good luck with the iguanas! Kaldari (talk) 20:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

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