Talk:Crown of sonnets

SHAMBEROVA@MAIL.RU

Dear Sirs,

        We’ve tried to present here a new up-to-date definition of ‘the Crown of Sonnets’ /211 Sonnets interlaced in 15 Garlands of Sonnets / and the Garland of Sonnets / 14 interlaced Sonnets + Magistral /
‘John Donne’s magnificent and highly spiritual to our mind poetry contains the work called “La Corona”. It consists of “seven sonnets, the first line of the first sonnet is repeated as the final line of the final sonnet, thereby bringing the sequence to a close” (from Wikipedia). There’s no magistral as a structural sonnet and a number of sonnets is not completed though’. 
       ‘Since that time several centures have passed. Now an interlacing of sonnets which he was trying to present – and he did in an incompleted way. It was for the first time in the English poetry! – has developed so much that it is known as the Garland of Sonnets (14 Sonnets + Magistral). Moreover, the Garland of Sonnets developed into the Crown of Sonnets i.e. 211 Sonnets interlaced into 14 Garlands of Sonnets with a single structural Sonnet – the foundation of the Crown – called Magistral’s magistral’.
          The book ‘LOVE…’* by Natalia Shamberova /Russia/ contains 5 Garlands of Sonnets /one in English) and the Crown of Sonnets i.e. 211 Sonnets interlaced in 15 Garlands composing the Crown; ‘LOVE…’ also contains a never done before Scheme of the Crown of Sonnets published twice: ‘Tumany Avgusta’/The Mists of August /2003/ and ‘LOVE…’ /2006/. Now the book is translated into English but not yet published.
       Finally we suggest a new up-to-date definition of the Garland of Sonnets and the Crown of Sonnets to Wikipedia for the benefit of all who consult it:

In the Crown of Sonnets each Garland of Sonnets contains 14 sonnets and a Magistral (the main structural Sonnet of the Garland), i. e. the 1st sonnet of the Garland begins with the 1st line of a Magistral and finishes with its 2nd line, and so on until the 14th sonnet of the Garland would start with the last line of Magistral and finish with its 1st, thus creating a Garland. In this way each Garland of Sonnets has its ‘personal’ Magistral, placed in the end of each Garland. All 14 Magistrals create on the same principle as the Garland of Magistrals. The main structural sonnet of The Garland of Magistrals and Crown as a whole is called Magistrals’ Magistral.

  Every Garland of Sonnets in the Crown is a separate work of art. Nevertheless, all of them are united by the general idea and built into a single body not just technically, formally, not just by the lines of Magistrals, but by lots of visible and invisible threads, which run through the whole book.

• Natalia Shamberova, ‘LOVE…’ may be consulted in the British Library (the UK), the Library of Congress (the USA), the Cambridge University library (the UK) and the National Library of Scotland, the Russia’s National Library and other.

                                                Faithfully yours,
                                                                Natalia Shamberova.

No definition of 'wreath of sonnets' is given in the page. If this is the same as the 'crown of sonnets', then it is not true that the first example of a wreath is in the romantic period, since the entry itself proposes examples from John Donne and Lady mary Wroth (17th century). I think it must be cleared up. --151.48.28.22 (talk) 16:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

This definition seems off. Most sources describe "Crown of Sonnets" as a form employing seven sonnets. Sources such as Miller Williams' Patterns of Poetry list "Sonnet Redoublé" as a distinct form.Rhymworm (talk) 02:33, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Crown of crown of sonnets

The current third paragraph reads as follows.

• The format of crowns of sonnets crown was published in Brazil by the poet Paulo Camelo in 2002, whose title said of its content: "Coroas de uma coroa" (Crowns of a crown)[2]. In Europe, the first crown of sonnets of crowns of sonnets was published in the Netherlands in 2016: Een kruisweg van alledaags leed (ISBN 978-94-90855-15-4), edited by Bas Jongenelen and Martijn Neggers. 14 crowns made 14 Mastersonnets. These Mastersonnets are a crown on their own, generating another Mastersonnet, which is called the Grandmastersonnet.

I have difficulty understanding this. Does it mean that one person published a "crown of crowns of sonnets" in Brazil in 2002 and then two other people published an edited volume in the Netherlands in 2016 that contained another one? In each case did the crown of crowns of sonnets contain 211 sonnets? (14 x 14 = 196 base sonnets, 14 made of their first lines, and then 1 made of the first lines of those 14, giving 196 + 14 + 1 = 211?) I think this is probably what is meant. Whatever is meant should be clarified. Hhttyyppqq (talk) 17:53, 19 November 2019 (UTC)