Talk:Cross of St. George (Russia)

If you Can

If a Russian speaker can make the effort to list in English (even from time to time, or slowly), the recipients of this order, these people, who should not only be rightfully honored, will be entered in the English language, through Wikipedia. I guess their names are available through the external link. Dr. Dan 68.252.218.170 22:54, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

-Are you serious? I'm currently translating the integral Russian text from the original article and including the few names there. The Cross of St George was awarded in millions of example. Fdutil (talk) 04:35, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

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It seems that this article should be merged with Order of St. George. Also, it was awarded only to officers never to soldiers.

The cross can stand alone, as stated above, I'm currently translating the entire extensive Russian article. The article on the Order of St. George was also seriously upgraded. Fdutil (talk) 04:35, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• It is not a good idea to merger the articles. The Cross is a seperate decoration. Until 1913 the name was a neutral " War Cross". The Russian Wiki gives us two articles on the Order and the Cross. The Medal and the Sword are two other decorations related to the Order of Saint George. Then there are the medals that are worn from the ribbon of the order... I mention them in the article but they too are independent decorations. Robert Prummel (talk) 15:03, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

I see this is an old discussion, but the proposal for merger is still up. It should definitely not be merged as they are two separate awards. The intro is confusing however. I'll edit so it's more clear. Wikimandia (talk) 11:17, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Abbreviated title for Russian Cross of St. George just as VC is for Victoria Cross

Does anybody here have a clue what would be abbreviated for Russian Cross of St. George just as VC is for Victoria Cross. For example, if Colonel John Doe won Victoria Cross, then we write his name as Col. John Doe (VC). What would we write to describe a winner of Russian Cross of St. George? Colonel John Done (GC)? Russian Cross of St. George was highest award for military gallantry in Imperial Russia. I would appreciate any help.--Internet Scholar (talk) 02:49, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Found it ! It is Cr St Geo !--Internet Scholar (talk) 03:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 13 December 2015

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The result of the proposal was not moved (as to each). This is a single close of multiple related contemporaneous moves requests by one nominator – in no particular order, of:

• Talk:Cross of St. George#Requested move 13 December 2015;
• Talk:Order of St. Gregory the Great#Requested move 13 December 2015;
• Talk:St Joseph's Day#Requested move 12 December 2015;
• Talk:St Mark's Eve#Requested move 12 December 2015;
• Talk:St. Martin's Day#Requested move 12 December 2015;
• Talk:St. Andrew's Day#Requested move 12 December 2015;
• Talk:Order of St. George#Requested move 13 December 2015; and
• Talk:Fort St. Angelo#Requested move 12 December 2015.

The nomination text is near identical as to each ("To recover/relief/remove from/the abbrevation") and opaque to the extent that we can only infer that abbreviations in article titles are considered poor or improper for unspecified reasons and without a policy- or guideline-based rationale. Each has been opposed on the basis that there is no overarching prohibition or preference in our naming conventions against the use of abbreviations and that the common names policy does not support the move—that the use of St/St. as to each title is more common in a preponderance of reliable English language sources, than is Saint spelled out. Since that was only supported by assertion and by reference to a web search (as opposed to a search that tends to concentrate reliable sources, such as of books), I have done a spot check and it is borne out by quite a significant margin, e.g., this versus this. The chief ground for supports was to avoid contests/edit wars over whether or not to affix a period to the abbreviation, i.e, St versus St. We generally do not choose titles based on the possibility of edit wars but rather based on what title is proper, on the merits, under our naming conventions. If any user wishes to take on a requested move on that issue, that can be done separately – though they should probably read all subsections of Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English first. Finally, I note that though one contributor was found to be a sockpuppet and his or her !vote was struck where it appeared, the sockpuppet charge as to the nominator was returned unsubstantiated, and does not figure in this close.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:25, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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Cross of St. George → Cross of Saint George – To relief the abbrevation. Chicbyaccident (talk) 09:20, 13 December 2015 (UTC) Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:41, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose on grounds offered. There is no rule against abbreviations. WP:COMMONNAME is all that matters, so please provide sources showing that "Saint" is spelled out. SnowFire (talk) 21:25, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support fully the replacement of abbreviations by clear informative full names. Peco Wikau (talk) 22:02, 17 December 2015 (UTC). BLOCKED SOCKPUPPET ACCOUNT

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The result of this discussion may be impacted by the sockpuppet investigation of the proposer, and should await its outcome. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:41, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:41, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose - Although I typically prefer to avoid abbreviations in page names, "Cross of St. George" is more commonly used in reliable sources. Meatsgains (talk) 02:23, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Google says 311k vs 64k. Alsee (talk) 17:28, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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I was able to use the corresponding article in wikipedia to get a source

Requested move 25 October 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 19:25, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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Cross of St. George → Cross of St. George (Russia) – No wp:primary topic. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 16:57, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support, and redirect Cross of St. George to Saint George's Cross as the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support both proposals—blindlynx 21:41, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Proposal not supported with any reason or argument. Are there two Crosses of St George - Russia and someone else? or Is there a policy to include a county name after other awards? It is good idea to have the county name after the award for two or more awards, particularly with generic names, such as Cross of Valour (Canada) and Cross of Valour (Australia) but not in this case. Anthony Staunton (talk) 01:31, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Saint George's Cross/Cross of Saint George is not an award, it is basically the Flag of England. Thus it is definitely the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in English, so no parenthetical disambiguation is required. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:32, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support Rreagan007's proposal (as nom). ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 03:23, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support and redirect to Saint George's Cross. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:43, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

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