Talk:Cristian Raducanu

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DYK nom Template:Did you know nominations/Cristian Raducanu

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Name spelling

It's a common issue that some people drop diacritics or otherwise modify the spelling of their names after emigrating, while media in their native countries continue to use the old spelling in referring to them, resulting in two common spellings. Contentiousness has also arisen over tennis, where the international governing body requires competitors to state a non-diacritic version of their name for use in international competition. That doesn't arise here, and he has clearly stopped using the diacritic, so the article is, I believe, at the right location and should state in the lede that the (non-diacritic) spelling of the title is the usual one. The other variations - "Christian" and "Radacanu" - are errors (rather than either newspapers dropping diacritics or changes) and as such "sometimes" is appropriate for them, but I don't believe it is appropriate to use "sometimes" for the spelling that is the actual title of the article. I have created a redirect for Cristian Răducanu, but I don't think the other two variations merit having redirects. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:53, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

There has been some discussion here - I didn't anticipate it becoming so involved & was really just seeking some sort of policy link at that point.

I'm a bit confused about what you are saying because it doesn't seem to match with your last variant, currently shown in the article. Did you decide you stop and discuss or have I misunderstood your opinion that "Cristian Raducanu" is the preferred spelling and so should take precedence? - Sitush (talk) 09:44, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

(I came to it from the discussion at User Talk:Drmies.) The article should make clear what the usual spelling is - and that should be the title of the article (as it is). By keeping the original spelling in first place I was deferring to the Romanian editor who put it there - several articles do that, it has an element of fairness (in his native country they still spell it that way) and the benefit of chronological order. My concern was merely that it be very clear what the usual spelling is now (the one he uses, for example, on his business website). Yngvadottir (talk) 21:09, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

It would be easier with an [unspeakable], parameter birth_name, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

It's up to Sitush whether he wants one of those, but the issue would still arise, particularly since it should still be covered in the actual article. So - not really easier :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 21:56, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK?

Is there a DYK strap anywhere in this? It is the Rugby World Cup this year & maybe the DYKers would run it at that time. Given my COI, it is probably not a great idea for me to nominate it. - Sitush (talk) 10:09, 12 February 2014 (UTC) Struck - I'm living in a parallel timezone, one year ahead ofPlanet Earth. - Sitush (talk) 10:10, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I will look, but later today, seems promising. If I nominate I will leave a note above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I rearranged a bit, hope I didn't destroy it ;) - nominated. I loved to link to the guy who named him "exponent", guess why? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Having all the variants of the name in the first bracket increases the long time until the reader finally gets to know that the article is about a rugby player. Obedient to the MoS, we don't even say there where he was born, - do we have to say that sometimes Cristian is spelled Christian? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for nominating. The names are bolded, so those with short attention spans can easily skip them. Highlighting the common variants, including "Christian", is important from the point of view of future sourcing, if nothing else. Google "Cristian Raducanu" and "Christian Raducanu" & you'll find completely different results (I know, I've done it). Place of birth? I'm not really fussed either way but MOS is a guideline, not a policy.

BTW, I think that you obliquely referred to an infobox in the thread above. I hate the things, especially for BLPs, because they are prone to subtle vandalism. Of course, I also hate them because it is part of the dumbing-down process that seems to assume people have the attention span of a gnat. Which is where we came in ... - Sitush (talk) 11:12, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

It's "your" article, enjoy it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:21, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

No, it isn't! I'll go with consensus. There are things I'd like to say in the thing that I cannot because the sources aren't there. It's "from the horse's mouth" stuff, unfortunately (eg: Radders was actually himself a member of the military, as were all the Romanian players of that time. It is that & his father's military connection that put him in danger and that caused the deaths of his team-mates.) - Sitush (talk) 11:38, 14 February 2014 (UTC)