Talk:Cricket Cafe/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 15:50, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Understood, thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:04, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
• It contains copyright infringements -
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -

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Prose

Lede

• For an article of this length, I'd expect a longer lede. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
• Cricket Cafe is a restaurant in Portland, Oregon's Sunnyside neighborhood, in the United States. - the lede sentence is important to explain what the item is. It is arguably the most important sentence in the article. - Try Cricket Cafe is a restaurant situated in Portland, Oregon. the neighborhood is fine to put lower down. The next bullet would also make sense to add to this sentence Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
• Is there no date for when the restaurant was created/opened? 1999 is mentioned a lot, was this when it was opened originally? At the very least, city records would be able to tell you this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  Lee Vilenski, Would you allow this source? It has quotes by Bartkowski, who says the restaurant opened in 1999. Not sure of appropriateness but I'm struggling to find other sources specifically confirming an opening date. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  • • Probably non-RS - Could maybe argue it's a Primary source? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

      Lee Vilenski, So, you prefer I not use? You're the reviewer here, so just making sure. :) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

  Lee Vilenski, I cannot find a source specifically verifying a 1999 opening, or one confirming how the building was used previously. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:57, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

  • • It's a shame really, I'd keep a look out, as it's quite a valuable piece of info, but can't be odds right now. If you take a look at any unresolved points, we can move on. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

      Lee Vilenski, I agree. I will keep an eye out for sourcing specifically confirming 1999 as then opening date, otherwise we're inferring. I've replied to all your comments here so please let me know what still needs to be resolved. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:38, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

• It serves a standard breakfast - there's a bit more to it than this, as this restaurant is known for its breakfasts (including it's slogan.) I'd mention that "Cricket Cafe's slogan is "champion of breakfast", offering the meal throughout the day." or similar. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  Updated wording a bit. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• The reception also talks about the Biscuits and gravy, which is worth including. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

General

• Can we just confirm that it is "Cafe", and not "Café"? I feel a [sic] is almost warranted, but it is a proper name, so who knows. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  Lee Vilenski, Cafe is used most often in sources and on the restaurant's website. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:14, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

• Cricket Cafe is a restaurant along Belmont Street in the retail and residential district of the same name within southeast Portland's Sunnyside neighborhood. - can we cite the actual location? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  Ref. #1, which is used as an inline citation immediately following the next sentence, verifies the district. Portland's neighborhood boundaries are strictly defined and Cricket clearly lies within the borders of Sunnyside. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• down-home - this is a quote, but I've never heard this word before! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
• In menu, I've fixed a few redirects. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:18, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

• chilaquiles hash - is this one item? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  Lee Vilenski, Yes per Source #2 ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:19, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

• I've also made a change removing some brackets. This probably needs cleanup to better explain what these are. I'm assuming the Bloody Gary is a Bloody Mary with vodka and jalapenos? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  The source does not explicitly say the Bloody Gary is a Bloody Mary, however I've added "other" before "varieties of Bloody Marys" to imply this is one. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:17, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• History doesn't need a two simple sentence paragraph. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  The first paragraph is meant to focus on personnel. Here's where I would confirm mention of the founding date and founder if sourcing specifically confirmed. I added a line break before the second paragraph since the text jumps back to 2002. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:19, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

   Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• Is there no more information on this place opening? Who opened it? Was it built as a Cafe, or did it take over a prior building?

• I've struggled to find sources specifically confirming opening date or founder. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• The surprise closure prompted a local resident to post a sign on the door apologizing for any confusion and confirming that the cafe was "seemingly closed for the foreseeable future" - how did he know? Who was the owners before it closed? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  Sourcing is vague, but my interpretation would be the restaurant closed but some people continued to show up and were surprised. Maybe the cafe didn't post a sign confirming the closure or something, so a neighbor helped out. I would not assume this person was a former owner or staff member. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• The reception section would be better written in a thematic way, rather than just a list of what people liked. I'd have the first para be about what things people liked/disliked, and the second about the menu items they liked/disliked. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  I've written the section to present information chronologically, which I think is beneficial. Also, to some degree, the first paragraph already focuses more on the restaurant in general, and the second focuses on more specific menu options including the pound cake and Bloody Marys. Most of the Bloody Mary commentary is grouped together at the end. I think this flows nicely, but if you feel adamantly about moving menu items into the second paragraph, I can try to rework. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• " restaurant a 2-star rating" - 2-stars (MOS:NUM says it should be "two-star") seems a bit small, can we go into detail - did they really dislike the cafe? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  I've expanded the article based on this source. Somehow I had overlooked with review before, and had only seen the rating. This was helpful for expanding the menu section further. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:54, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Review meta comments

• I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:50, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

  Lee Vilenski, I'm not in a rush, but just making sure this didn't fall off your radar. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

  Nope, haven't forgotten. Struggling to get the time in front of a PC to do a decent review (most of my edits are mobile). I'll get this done as soon as I can. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:57, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Took a few photographs of the cafe's exterior today and uploaded them to Commons. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.