Talk:Corsicans

Genetic relations

How on earth are Corsicans more related to the French than other Italians? I never started this "edit war" which you have accused me of, since you were the one who reverted me. Anyways, there's no need to be pointing fingers. As you wrote earlier, "we can't put such a politically laden info"; yet you make edits like this? Being part of country has nothing to do with you being related to that dominant Ethnic Group. That's why this edit summary makes no sense whatsoever. Do you know what it means to be related to an ethnic group? If you don't know by now, citizenship has nothing to do with it. AcidSnow (talk) 04:46, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I know what the difference between the (vague) concept of ethnic group and that (mere but clear) of citizenship is. I raised an issue some time ago about the fact that people, such as Corsicans and Sardinians, are not even recognised as ethnic groups in here, just because in the political framework they are now part of states often related to different geographical entities. Now, it's clear that you have your personal point of view about Corsicans, since you think they are Italians just like every other people the Italian state encompasses in the first place (which is, to say the least, an assertion which is susceptible to be called into question), thus not associated with (the other) French at all. I don't want to criticise you for being of that legitimate opinion, nor do I want to accuse anyone: it's just that Wikipedia doesn't accept that easily debatable points that carry strong political connotation and could lead to edit/user war. I myself don't want that to happen: that's why I haven't completely removed your edit without explanation in a sterile zero-sum game, as - alas - many others do with nearly no impunity, having instead preferred to rearrange it in order for it not only to reach a fair compromise, but even to match what history tells.--Dk1919 (talk) 15:19, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Gallurese

While not all Gallurese speakers are ethnic Corsican Gallurese, many clearly are, especially in La Maddalena. This is why the number included specifically states only "inhabitants of Gallura", because the figure is not just for ethnic Corsicans in Gallura, just as the figure for Corsica is for the whole population, and not just for ethnic/indigenous Corsicans. They are both merely populations of those regions. While some Gallurese speakers are certainly Sards, the indigenous Sards consider Gallurese people in general as Corsican, and distinct from them. 173.238.79.44 (talk) 00:05, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh finally..i don't like to revert edits i prefer to resolve problems in the talk page..if you want to add these info you must insert valid sources...where have you taken that number ? Even if many Gallurese have partial corsican ancestry this don't make them Corsicans..today their relation with Corsica is pretty limited.--Xoil (talk) 00:17, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

The number was taken from the Gallura page, and was only a total population of all inhabitants of Gallura, not just ethnic Corsicans/Gallurese in Gallura. Gallurese are viewed as distinct by Sards, and many Gallurese are wholly or largely of Corsican descent. Their connection with Corsica is extremely strong, they live closer to Corsica than other parts of Sardinian. Being of Corsican descent, even partially, does make them Corsican Gallurese, especially when their culture and their language are Corsican. Places like La Maddalena, Porto Cervo, and Santa Teresa Gallura have Gallurese who are very much ethnic Corsicans. 173.238.79.44 (talk) 00:27, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

What common people think is not that important, you need to add scientific sources who stated that the Gallurese of today can be considered as Corsicans and not Sardinians--Xoil (talk) 00:34, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

I *did* add sources in the article, mentioning both the Corsican origins of many Gallurese, especially in La Maddalena, and how most scholars consider Gallurese to be a variant of Corsican, itself a variant of Tuscan. Gallurese are distinct from indigenous Sards, that is what is referenced and supported by the sources. The references show they speak the same language as Corsicans, many have the same culture and many have their ancestral origins in southern Corsica and from Pisans and Tuscans, just like many Corsicans. 173.238.79.44 (talk) 00:43, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

This matter is settled. I removed the population figure for Gallura which you disputed, but that is all. I provided sources showing how Gallurese is considered a Corsican variety, and how many Gallurese are ethnically Corsican and have their ethnic origins in Corsica. No one who knows any thing about the issue denies that many Gallurese identify as ethnic Corsican, distinct from the indigenous Sards, and that the Sards consider Gallurese on the whole as distinct from them. 173.238.79.44 (talk) 00:45, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry but this is an original research...can you provide serious references who say that Gallurese consider themselves Corsicans and not Sardinians?? Also Gallurese is not pure corsican, its mostly a corsican language but dfferently from Corsican spoken in Corsica it contain many sardinian, catalan and spanish elements--Xoil (talk) 00:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

The references in the article about the history and origins of many Gallurese clearly show that the ethnic identity of at least some of them, especially in La Maddalena, is very much Corsican-Gallurese. Also, just because others identify as "Sardinian", it does not mean they also do not identify as Corsican and Gallurese. They can identify as being citizens of Italy, residents of Sardinia and ethnically as Corsican/Gallurese. 173.238.79.44 (talk) 02:02, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Please refer to this study in 2014 by Mauro Maxia, page 10, which specifically states that Gallurese dialects spoken on La Maddalena by about 3,000 are known as "Corso" (Corsican and "Maddalenino"), and La Maddalena is a part of Gallura. This specifies the Corsican ethnic identity of some Gallurese in Gallura, while the study also notes the Corsican cultural heritage of other Gallurese speakers. 173.238.79.44 (talk) 02:41, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes Maddalenino is an almost pure corsican dialect, however it's distinct from the Gallurese..it's also far more recent. Note that the population of La Maddalena is far from being pure Corsican, according to a 1913 census only 50% of the population was Corsican and Gallurese the other 50% were mostly Sardinians! --Xoil (talk) 08:06, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

The study doesn't state "50 % Sardinians" in La Maddalena, but in mainland Gallura, where Corsican settlers mixed with native Sardinians. Thus, many Gallurese have partial Corsican ancestry. In La Maddalena, the people and language are described as strictly Corsican, almost identical to the Corsican of southern Corsica, and different from Gallurese. 173.238.79.44 (talk) 10:52, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

No, the 1913 census cited by Osvaldo Baldacci refer only to La Maddalena--Xoil (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Unless you provide a link here to this supposed source of yours by Baldacci from 1913, I can't comment on it. In any case, the Corsican speakers in Maddalena archipelago are still of Corsican origin, and speak specifically Corsican. 173.238.79.44 (talk) 14:34, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

I note there are two IPs quarreling with each other over some sourced info the first one has posted. On the other hand, judging by his/her own POV, the second one that tries to remove those pieces seem to be the same person that's been wreaking havoc in any page regarding Sardinians and Corsicans, ranging from the language to this one. Disruptive editing (especially over such a long amount of time) is not allowed by Wikipedia's policies. The best thing you two guys could do is creating an account of your own and reaching a compromise while leaving aside the absolute judgements and keeping the sourced info, unless proven otherwise, or I will be forced (once again) to call in an administrator and protect the page for a while.--Dk1919 (talk) 12:27, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Total population

The French wikipedia article claims 2.1 million people of Corsican ancestry, including 800,000 in Continental France. This article currently claims the total to be 400,000...Funnyhat (talk) 06:48, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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