Talk:Corps Commander House, Lahore

Last sentence in "History" section

It reads:

"On 9 May 2023, a group comprising PTI workers, stormed the building and set it ablaze during violent protests called by the PTI against the current government in power, the political party PDM, following the arrest of Imran Khan on allegations of corruption"

The given reference does not mention this at all. Editors more informed with Pakistani news sources should find a neutral and reliable source and edit the article accordingly. Merko (talk) 18:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Neutrality, official sources replacing the controversial last sentence in the history. Please review. And comment here if further improvements needed. Anasim (talk) 23:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Anasim Looking good in my opinion, thanks! Merko (talk) 00:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Pakistanifacts undoing your changes due to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Quote references if you wish to persist your changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anasim (talk • contribs) 11:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@BookishReader, please do not alter the NPOV balance on the page. Repetition of assertion without supporting citation may be considered vandalism. Anasim (talk) 04:13, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Repetition of assertion without supporting citation may be considered vandalism. Can you show at least one diff that proves your point? BookishReader (talk) 06:21, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Special Circumstances Requiring Enhanced Focus on WP:NPOV

The Human Rights situation in Pakistan today is precarious with incarceration of journalists and subjecting of civilians to military courts. Wikipedia needs extra vigilance to avoid being exploited by either side in the political divide and adhere to its own policies and standards in persisting the truth and factual information. 14:39, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Anasim (talk)

References

Wikipedia:Edit warring

@BookishReader we need to stop WP:WAR over subtitle of the article's page. Please look at the following Google Search.

[1]https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Jinnah+House%22&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:,cd_max:5/8/2023&tbm=

You will find that prior to May 9th, 2023, the alternative name for the building you are proposing was never used. Do we need to invoke arbitration in this matter? Anasim (talk) 20:55, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

How can one rename a Wikipedia page? HuntTheTruth (talk) 15:12, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Heavy Bias Present In This Article

Hi @BookishReader:. If you continue to vandalize this article by spreading disinformation through repeatedly biasing the narrative, you too can also be blocked from editing. You did not need to PM me about this; this conversation could have happened here.

Bias: "On May 9th, 2023, Imran Khan was arrested, stirring nationwide violence."

Reality: Nationwide protests were stirred rather than violence. Furthermore, it is well documented online that the army and police responded by firing bullets onto unarmed protestors, kidnapping PTI workers and protestors, trespassing into various homes without warrant, torture, and more.

Source: https://redacted.inc/pakistan-on-edge/

Bias: "According to a press release from Inter-Services Public Relations, the media wing of Pakistan Army, Khan's arrest was legal."

Reality: This is known to be false. It is well reported that the Supreme Court of Pakistan ruled this arrest illegal and ordered Imran Khan to be released. He was illegally arrested while on court premises.

Sources:

• https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/11/asia/imran-khan-arrest-illegal-pakistan-supreme-court-gbr-intl/index.html
• https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65561807

Bias: "Immediately after the arrest, an organized plan was carried out to attack property and installations of the army, while chanting slogans against the forces."

Reality: There is no such evidence for an organized plan. The ISPR is an unreliable source.

Bias: "The army observed extreme patience, prudence, and restraint."

Reality: There is absolutely no need for such a sentence other than to spread a narrative.

There is also no need for a separate page, Corps Commander House Damage, that goes into the damage caused to the house, other than to spread a narrative. HuntTheTruth (talk) 15:11, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @BookishReader:

I'm warning you again; If you continue to vandalize this article by spreading disinformation through repeatedly biasing the narrative, I will report you.

If you wish to discuss the changes made to this article, it can be done so here. HuntTheTruth (talk) 06:01, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

You're not adhering to WP:NPOV. If you have any questions, bring them to WP:TEAHOUSE. BookishReader (talk) 11:44, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Please clearly state how I am not adhering to a neutral point of view. HuntTheTruth (talk) 12:41, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm out of town now, so I can't comment on this at the moment. Could you post it on Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard? I'm sure someone will assist you. As this is a volunteer-run project, you should expect some delay in the response. BookishReader (talk) 12:46, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

We can keep the discussion here for now. HuntTheTruth (talk) 12:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Please don't add unreliable information. Reach a consensus among editors first. Go to the noticeboard get consensus and then edit please. BookishReader (talk) 12:48, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Please clearly list and state the unreliable information and why it is unreliable. HuntTheTruth (talk) 12:53, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

You're overtly using redacted.inc which is obviously an unreliable source. BookishReader (talk) 12:59, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

We consider ISPR a reliable source. If you think it is an unreliable source, bring it to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard and get a consensus. BookishReader (talk) 13:02, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

You have failed to explain why the sources I have used are unreliable.

Please state how the BBC, CNN, and Redacted.inc are unreliable sources and please clearly state how the information I have provided is not neutral. HuntTheTruth (talk) 13:04, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

I just talked about Redacted.inc. It is fairly obvious - there is no editorial team - hence, unreliable. BookishReader (talk) 13:08, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Please clearly state how BBC and CNN are unreliable sources.

Also please clearly state how the information I've provided is not neutral. HuntTheTruth (talk) 13:12, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Can we still call it Jinnah house ?

The hindustantimes news referred here as reference [2], explains how Pakistan converted the Jinnha to Corps commander house. Clearly if the house is no longer a historical site (as we don't live in historical sites) . It is unfair to call this Jinnah house. Yes this house was owned by Jinnah, but once sold and converted to a house used for living. it is no longer a historical site and can't be treated as one I suggest please remove that part and only concentrate on how it was allowed tobe destroyed. Trying to portray it as a historical site to get public sympathy is wrong. The public already understands the sad things that happened on 9 May.Zahid aslam kan (talk) 03:55, 9 June 2023 (UTC)