Talk:Cornwall, Ontario

Cornwall Colts

Removed the citation needed after the statement that they are a very successful team. The citation is in the Cornwall Colts entry. They have had two losing records since their formation. There's your citation. Not only have the bulk of their seasons been winning ones, they have been winning by pretty big margins. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.71.194 (talk) 04:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Mike metcalfe

The moniker used by the above noted editor is coincidentally the same as that of a Development Officer working for the City of Cornwall. This might go some way to explaining the entries and edits made by "Mike metcalfe" that paint a rather rosier picture of the city than is in fact the case.

At any rate it would appear by the purplish prose that "Mike metcalfe" is not familiar with the encyclopedic nature of Wikipedia and sees it rather as a PR brochure. (and hint: don't edit other peoples discussions... add to them or start your own)

Well God bless anyway.

As an information note: Mr. Metcalfe is no longer with the City. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mike metcalfe (talk • contribs) 18:33, August 23, 2007 (UTC).

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More History Please

So, if Cornwall was founded by british fleeing the American revolution, how did the city develop such a large french-speaking population/ Something is missing here.

Checkout Ontario Historic Plaques and also Cornwall is near Williamstown home to many a North West Company trader (a lot of them French and Metis) and it's more than a presence, French as a language and as a culture are Cornwall as much as any other. Cornwall shares that distinction with other city's in Ontario (e.g.Orleans, Ottawa, Sudbury... but I shouldn't list them 'cause I'm bound to overlook someone).

The French population is only 27% and dropping. That's hardly a lot and soon will become a ripple.

Can somebody please fix the history as to Ahmed did not found the city? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.83.162 (talk) 17:44, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Notable People

Is there no limit to hockey players under notable people? Making the NHL is hardly rare and most players are not even outstanding in their careers; a simple check of how many come and go should indicate that. And really what is their tie to a town anyway; born there, live(d) there, died there, gassed up there? A Gordie or Gretzky would still be worthy of course.

And everyone that's been an MP under notable people? Like how many parliaments have we had? Simply being an MP is hardly notable. A Stanley Knowles or PM of course could still make the cut.

If there are no comments to the contrary unremarkable MP's and hockey players will be removed from the notable people section...

I would say that either being elected to parlement, or for that mater playing a game or two in the NHL is suficent notariety to justfy an article about the person, and multimedia priciples mean that articles should be linked to relivant other articles. cmacd 13:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

...as well the Kraft Hockeyville results reference will be removed since this contest was not based on merit or even popularity, it was an advertising venture for Kraft and the CBC and winners were not voted on in any responsible fashion but were instead non accountable internet clicks with no limits to voting.

131.137.245.198 12:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Growing city?

Where is the source that says that Cornwall is becoming a bigger city? According to Statistics Canada's Cornwall Profile, the city has a negative growth rate (ie. losing people).--FreshFruitsRule 22:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The article does not say that Cornwall is becoming a bigger city, but does say that it is becoming an increasingly multicultural city and that there is a growing immigrant population. --AletaP 14:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't it seem a bit strange to state that Cornwall is becoming a "multicultural" city and then state that a whopping 1.6% of the population are immigrants? That means 98.4% of the population is not immigrant. A little strange.

Jack McCue

Jack McCue is a former principal at St. Joseph's Catholic Secondary School in Cornwall, Ontario. This school has an incredible reputation, where the teenagers who attend here have the special privilege of not being stereotyped like most teenagers today.

This reputation is one that Jack McCue built himself. He worked every day, from being a history teacher all the way up to principal of the school. This school, with it's award-winning faculty and stellar students past and present has made a huge mark on the Cornwall community. This legacy left by Jack McCue deserves recognition, and this recognition, I ask, be merely in the form of his inclusion in the list of "notable people".

There has been a bit of a controversy over this. Please include your thoughts here.

My arguments, on top of what I typed above, are as follows:

First of all, the WP:BIO is, quote, "not Wikipedia policy (and indeed the whole concept of notability is contentious)." This statement not only suggests, but notes that this is merely a guideline and therefore may not apply in all circumstances.

Next, Jack McCue, while being a nice guy and all is much more than just a nice guy. He virtually created St. Joseph's Catholic Secondary School. I was a student of St. Joe's only last year when we hosted former Prime Minister Paul Martin. There are reasons why the PM chose our school: 1) reputation (the school is well known, making his vist an easily publicized event. This reputation is one that Mr. McCue worked hard for most of his career to build. 2) Mr. McCue retired that same year. This was also recognition of the service of a great man (educators are government employees).

Finally, a small side note... one of the ways someone can be included as a "notable person" is by the point: A large fan base, fan listing or "cult" following.... Mr. McCue has the support of thousands of people, including current students (the school has an enrollment of approximately 1000 students) former students (the number of alumni are in the approximate range of 2500-3500 students), parents as well as local politicians, lawmakers and policy makers past and present. This certainly qualifies as, at the very least, a cult following.

Thanks for you contributions everybody

Tauntobr 03:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I have some more items for consideration: Look at the following links....

• [1]
• [2]
• [3]

Tauntobr 03:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Saw this listed on WP:3O, and will give what insight I can:

1. Those links don't really provide any assertion of notability and are largely irrelevant. One is just a press release he made, the other two only really mention his name in passing.
2. You are misquoting WP:BIO's point about "cult following". That is a criterion for "actors and entertainment personalities", not local officials. Simply having the support of a unciteable number of people doesn't make one notable- otherwise, every little politician who got 1000 votes or so could try to claim notability.
3. Just being a principal at a school, even if it's a fairly reputable one that he has tried to improve (honestly, what principal *doesn't* try to improve their school?), doesn't seem to be enough; nor does being a "nice guy". Can you provide any sources that state what you are asserting, re: his efforts to improve the school? Like I said, the three links you provided make no such claim as far as I can tell.

Ultimately, I would suggest to try making an article about him. If you can make a solid, self-standing (and most importantly, neutral) article about the man, and it survives any deletion process, then I'd say he's notable enough to mention here (and elsewhere, such as in the article for your school, which already has a redlink to an article about him). Based on what I'm seeing, he just doesn't appear to be any more notable than the headmaster at my high school- and he doesn't have an article either. Cheers! --DarthBinky 04:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight. I understand your points; they are extremely reasonable. Therefore, I will settle this dispute for now and concede that Mr. McCue does not need to be mentioned on the Cornwall page. I am satisfied with him being mentioned on the article for my high school. Thanks again! Tauntobr 05:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I personally also think Jack McCue deserves recognition to the years of service he offered this city as an educator, a principal, and a mentor. He's certainly more notable to the people (especially the youth) of this city then say Ryan Gossling. Let the man have his due.

John Moore

Someone keeps adding "John Moore, Electrician" to the notable people list. A number of editors (including me) have removed it a number of times over the last couple of days, but it gets readded. Will the person responsible please outline their reasons for including this name? The wikilink simply lists the assorted articles (and there are many) for people named John Moore. Blotto adrift 18:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I'd be very surprised if you actually got a real answer to this; the anon vandals and the add-myself-for-shits-and-giggles types rarely if ever acknowledge talk page discussions, in my experience. Bearcat 04:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Appears to me that the user adding is John Moore the electrician. I've warned both you and him for 3RR at this point. --Wildnox(talk) 04:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

My apologies, will desist. Blotto adrift 04:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to attempt to avoid getting too involved in this. I've request semi-protection on both articles to hopefully stop this user from using his non-static IP to force his name.--Wildnox(talk) 04:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

La Citadelle

Yes, St Joes and CCVS are great schools, but we must not forget the contributions made by l'École seconddaire catholique La Citadelle. In this English world, this school is a beacon for families and communities who still want the opportunity to have a French education. Created in the 1970s, during the time when the population of Ontario were demanding a better French educational system, La Citadelle has played a major role in the development and sustainability of the French community of Cornwall. Offering great proffessional, academic and trades programs, La Citadelle has evolved into a leader in education in the area. The annual play, Le Citashow, attracts many hundreds of people to the Aultsville Hall. Usually written by the school principal, M. Pierre Morin, the show includes hundreds of students, eager to participate in the creative process. I hope in the future we won't do the same mistake as to forget an essential dimension of this city, this dimension who represent more than 30% of the population.

Jomo11 04:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I do agree the Francophone population in Cornwall has always been important to the community, however the population of Francophones in Cornwall is roughly 25.9% (according to Stats Canada), not the "more than 30% of the population" as you have stated. Still, I think it is appropriate to edit the article with information on all schools in Cornwall, not just focussed on the Anglophones. Kantus Julii 10:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Question For Cornwall Locals

I was wondering where Cornwall's paper mill was situated. I need to know as soon as possible. I am assuming it is along the St. Lawrence River, but I am not sure of that. Could somebody please answer me back, preferably locals because a local would be more sure. Loghead1 19:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Somebody please answer!! I need my answer really soon!!

The Domtar Mill, which closed over a year ago, is located on the St. Lawrence River just west of Cornwall's downtown. The site has been purchased by a private group which is currently dismantling the site. Ironically, while the firm was a major employer for many years, its closure has eliminated the reason for Cornwall's less than sterling reputation and will no doubt enhance the City's growth and development.

Loghead1 19:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It runs perpendicular to the St. Lawrence River, along the bridge into the United States. It just caught fire a few days ago, by the way. --BranER

Recent vandalism

Any recent vandalism to this page is likely spawned by an article published in the Standard Freeholder (local newspaper) about Wikipedia "tarnishing the reputation" of Cornwall. I don't know which side the vandalism comes from; just throwing it out there. --BranER

"Tarnishing the reputation" XD. As if it's reputation could be any worse, and rightly so. 24.226.77.23 (talk) 02:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia policies insist on neutality

Trying to make Wikipedia articles either positive or negative is against Wikipedia policy. The main policy for this is WP:NPOV or "neutral point of view" which is sometimes summerized as "unbiased". A guideline to help us with this policy is WP:COI or "conflict of interest" which roughly says that if you are close to the subject of an article you may unwittingly introduce bias so perhaps you should not edit it and if you have financial motivations for editing an article you are very strongly recommended to only edit the talk page of that article. It can get embarrassing to see the stuff you wanted swept under the rug get publicity as other media outlets report on the edit war with one side pushing a biased version for financial gain against wikipedia policy. War of words erupts on Wikipedia over city says:

"A battle has erupted on Cornwall's page on Wikipedia [...] Metcalfe said he simply can't understand why the person seems so bent on presenting a negative outlook about Cornwall. The city employee said he's been in contact with an official from Wikipedia but was basically told there was nothing they could do. [...] Senior development officer Mark Boileau said some of the comments on the page do not present a "proper reflection" of Cornwall. [...] "It's something our department is keeping an eye on," he said."

Metcalfe and Boileau, I'm talking to you. WAS 4.250 17:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

The 'neutral point of view' is an interesting comment, particularly in light of the fact that much of the Cornwall description is pointedly negative and makes no attempt to utilize more recent data that shows the City in its 21st century more positive profile.

Hey...

I'm the one who edited this page anonymously earlier (and it nearly got me in a bit of trouble too because I was editing the article at an inappropriate time and place):

So what have I done?

1. The previous article attacked Bob Kilger for living in Glen Walter without even bothering to situate Glen Walter relative to Cornwall. That creates a very POV situation (and I myself would never vote for Kilger, being just a bit left of Noam Chomsky), and I'd like to think that an encyclopedia (of all things) would not be needlessly corrupted by partisan agendas. As such, I've kept the reference to Kilger's living outside of Cornwall while adding an explanation as to what and where Glen Walter is.

2. I've expanded a couple of sections and made corrections where I found the wording awkward or grammatically sloppy. I would ask that someone take the time to reread this article; I make my share of mistakes too.

3. Fixed a few typos and spelling errors. Again, someone else should ensure that I got everything and that I made no messes of my own.

Cheung Mo 14:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, ya know Glen Walter is not in Cornwall, and does not make up its tax base. Nobody is attacking Bob. But people that don't live in Cornwall, well... they don't have to live with the mistakes of the city governance, do they. Maybe Cornwall should just annex all the communities around. Wouldn't that be something. Also Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa have their own pages, a link would be better than the wordiness of describing each. The page is about Cornwall. Instead of spinning and doctoring, maybe fixing the problems in Cornwall would be preferable to deleting the so many negatives that are a fact of life in the city.

Smuggling through Cornwall

Smuggling of contraband through Cornwall Ontario via the adjacent Cornwall Island and across the St. Lawrence River from Akwesasne territory is a fact and well documented. Proof of the inability of National, Provincial, and Municipal law enforcement to enter and operate in Akwesasne is evidenced by the current standoff between the "powers that be" of Akwesasne and outside law enforcement which are not permitted on the territory. Recent actions here and on media blogs that claim hatred, bullying and making inflammatory remarks, are not based on argument or evidence with any merit. On the contrary it is counter to the welfare of the community that such events are not recognized and appropriately dealt with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmbtho (talk • contribs) 19:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Nobody's denying that there's an issue. However, Wikipedia has to write about it in a WP:NPOV way — talking about "rampant collusion" fails that, for example — and "Economy" isn't the correct section for the topic. You also have to follow correct referencing format — you don't just add an offsite link in parentheses after a sentence so that a full URL appears directly in the body text. The link has to be enclosed in ref tags, as well as formatted in such a way that the title, source name and publication date are present. It's not that it can't be mentioned here — but it needs to be done properly. Bearcat (talk) 19:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Train connection with New York State?

Was there ever a train connection with New York State?Dogru144 (talk) 18:55, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

NYC 1918

There was at one time according to this map: Peter Horn User talk 00:44, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

New York Central Railroad Peter Horn User talk 01:05, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Ryan Thomas Gosling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Gosling bio indicates he was raised in Cornwall. The red link was because of the misspelling of his name. I don't actually care if he is in the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saffron Blaze (talk • contribs) 17:12, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Transportation

Edits are being made to this section predicated on a dead link reference. This link is at least fresh and credible: http://www.cornwall.ca/en/transit/TransitFacts.asp Those editing this section, or any section, must source their edits properly. Saffron Blaze (talk) 20:00, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

History of Cornwall

• The History of Cornwall has been augmented by the government of Ontario officially recognizing the place name of 'Cornwall Point'.

However , there are no indications in this article about history, other than its naming after the Earl of Cornwall (etc).

--Will attempt to rectify. Richard416282 (talk) 09:49, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

The Street railway.

Re Cornwall, Ontario#Transportation: A bit of history about the one time Cornwall Street Railway would be nice. Peter Horn User talk 17:49, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Peter Horn User talk 19:28, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

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