Talk:Corner retirement

RTD stands for Retired (between rounds, giving up during a round is always a (T)KO), and counts as a (T)KO/Stoppage, not a victory by decision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.32.80.10 (talk) 16:49, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Proposed article renaming: "Corner retirement"

This good-faith edit prompted me to investigate a little bit. In a basic Google search, using a string of "referee technical decision" -wikipedia, I could not find any reliable sources supporting "referee technical decision" as the origin of the "RTD" abbreviation. Even the creator of the very first edition of this article "was unable to find anything but (strong) anecdotal information on what an RTD is." To me it never made sense in the slightest—in what way is the referee making a "technical decision" when a fighter or his corner pull out of a fight (i.e., a stoppage), when there already is such a term, albeit one that is completely unrelated? I'm quite sure it was always meant to stand for "retired in the corner" or simply "retirement", but those would be too ambiguous for an article title. Therefore, I propose "corner retirement" as the new title, and all mentions of the unsourced "referee technical decision" to be zapped. Will give it a week, and if no feedback, I'll make the move. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 12:49, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

There are reliable sources that use referee (or referee's) technical decision":

• http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/19755803/jeff-horn-not-your-typical-professional-boxerfrom
• https://www.si.com/boxing/2016/11/14/sergey-kovalev-andre-ward
• http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865655649/Utahn-and-former-sparring-partner-says-Muhammad-Ali-was-good-man-period.html
• http://www.fresnobee.com/sports/article27701512.html

and this strongly implies that the abbreviation RTD is a referee's decision, though it doesn't use the word technical.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 23:00, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Since most of them are from the past two years, it's likely they've been based on old versions of this article back when it still contained the "referee technical decision" misnomer. I think it's pointless reintroducing the term to the article in any form, when it would only add to the confusion of a term which already has two well-sourced variations. Via Google, "boxing" "corner stoppage" -wikipedia -forum -forums brings up almost 17,000 results compared to about 4000 for "referee technical decision" -wikipedia -forum -forums The majority of results for "referee technical decision" appear to be lists which have lifted the term from WP. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 16:22, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

You think the journalists who wrote those articles based their use of "referee's technical decision" on this article?--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 18:53, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I do—I've seen plenty of material (whether correct or erroneous) lifted straight from WP by online journalists over the years. However, I would be open to changing my mind if I saw books from the pre-Internet era using the term. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:04, 6 July 2017 (UTC)