Talk:Cooya Pooya
Latest comment: 10 years ago by Mitch Ames in topic When was the lease taken up?
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When was the lease taken up? edit
The article says:
The first settlers in the area were Thomas Lockyer[1] and his four sons, who arrived from Northam and took up the lease in 1864. At the time the property was known as Table Hill Station.[2]
- ^ "Our Flocks and Herds". Western Mail. Perth, Western Australia: National Library of Australia. 21 December 1917. p. 27. Retrieved 18 September 2013.
- ^ "Old Cooya Pooya homestead in Pilbara to have interim heritage listing". Ministerial Media Statements. Government of Western Australia. 29 June 1998. Retrieved 18 September 1998.
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The first ref (Western Mail) says (with my emphasis):
John Wellard founded Andover Station, near Roebourne, in 1864, and John Withnell was also established at Mount Welcome, on the Harding River, about the same time; shortly after Thomas Lockyer and Taylor started Cooya Pooya.
But the second one (Ministerial Media Statements) says (again, my emphasis):
The first settler of the station was Thomas Lockyer, of Northam, and his four sons, who took up a lease in 1882 on what was then known as Table Hill Station.
There's an 18-year difference in the dates. Who do we believe? Mitch Ames (talk) 03:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
- Good Question, I agree that the two dates are contradictory but there are newspaper articles on Trove that talk about Table Hill in 1872 (although owned by Hickes, with Lockyer owning another property.)
- "COUNTRY NEWS". The Perth Gazette and West Australian Times (WA : 1864 - 1874). WA: National Library of Australia. 17 May 1872. p. 2. Retrieved 22 September 2013.
- and in 1879
- "Our Eastern Districts Letter". The Western Australian Times (Perth, WA : 1874 - 1879). Perth, WA: National Library of Australia. 28 March 1879. p. 2. Retrieved 22 September 2013.
- the third reference used in the article also talks about the son George Locker arriving at age 28 the dying at age 49 in 1893 which means he arrived in 1872.
- It seemed reasonable to assume the establishment of the property was far more likely to be 1864, which was the only quoted date I could find prior to 1872.
- However if you would prefer it could be edited to read established at some time between 1864 and 1872 or established at some time between 1864 and 1882 Hughesdarren (talk) 05:06, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
- The 1872 article says:
At Mr. Hickes' station, Table Hill, the loss was heavy, ... J. Lockyer lost ... at or near the same station, ...
- So the Table Hill station was there in 1872, although apparently not Lockyer's. Is it possible that Hickes owned the station (hence it was "Mr. Hickes' station") but the Lockyers leased (hence "took up the lease") or managed (hence "Thomas Lockyer ... started Cooya Pooya")? The 1872 article's "Lockyer lost ... at ... the same station" suggests that Lockyer could have been leasing part of Table Hill - but presumably his stock was separate to Hickes'.
- I read the 1893 article as:
Mr. George Lockyer ... died. He ... came here 28 years ago ... He was aged 49, and was unmarried
- He arrived "28 years ago", ie in 1865 (1893-28=1865), not "aged 28" (1893-49+28=1872).
- Here is the heritage listing, which might (or might not) clarify things. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:13, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
- It does say ago not age as I had read - Well picked. I should use the zoom function on trove more often in future. Fixed the text in the wiki article to suit. Cheers Hughesdarren (talk) 13:31, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
- Heritage listing assessment documentation says "Thomas Lockyer, a Northam settler, and his four sons took up Table Hill Station (later Cooya Pooya) in 1882." but we have newspaper articles and letters suggesting they were there before that... Mitch Ames (talk) 13:49, 24 September 2013 (UTC)