Talk:Constant Lambert

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"Russian-born"?

Lambert's father is described at the start as "Russian-born." Reading the grave marker lower down, however, it is evident that the father's father, George Washington Lambert--the composer's grandfather-- was an American citizen who lived in London and died a couple of months before the birth of his son. The phrase "Russian-born" implies that Lambert's father was born Russian, but it seems more likely that (a) he was born half-Russian, if his mother was Russian, or (b) he happened to be born in Russia because his mother was visiting there. Anybody know any more? C. Cerf (talk) 14:16, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Or a grandfather on diplomatic service.

Yemeni-born Eddie Izzard.

I agree that the present wording is misleading even if it is accurate.

Varlaam (talk) 16:34, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

This is where citizenship, ethnicity, nationality and language all get confused. In many countries, in most circumstances, being born there means you're automatically a citizen of that country. But it doesn't necessarily mean you are of that country's ethnicity, if such a thing exists. George Sanders was also born in Russia, and he is also described as "Russian-born", which at first glance might lead you to believe he had Russian blood, but both his parents were English. It's probably more accurate to call him "Russia-born", i.e. born in Russia, as distinct from being born a Russian. But he could have well been born "a Russian" by citizenship, if not by genealogy, but I don't know how the citizenship laws work in Russia. Nicole Kidman happened to be born in Hawaii while her Australian parents were visiting, so she has always had dual American and Australian citizenship. That's enough for a lot of people to claim her as "an American actress", and you can read the long discussions on her talk page. Currently, we're describing her as "an American-born Australian actress", which I think is the most accurate least misleading way of putting it.

So, is there such an adjective as "Russia-born"? We always seem to see the "Russian-born" version, which has to do double service, to describe (a) those who were born there as Russians, and (b) those who were born there not as Russians. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 19:32, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

As this article is about Constant Lambert and not his father George Washington Lambert, the place of birth of his father is completely irrelevant and can be removed. May I respectfully suggest that the place for discussion about George Washington Lambert's birthplace and citizenship is on the page about George Washington Lambert. 86.185.92.26 (talk) 12:32, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Pronunciation

His surname is pronounced as English, correct? Not as French, without a 't'?
I just happen to have noticed a page in Russian Wikipedia which believes his surname is Lambaire.
Varlaam (talk) 16:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

And since people generally would not be aware of it ...

Russian transliterates the different sounds of foreign languages more or less accurately.

(There needs to be some adaptation to their sound set.)

So if you don't know how to pronounce a Swedish or Italian name, its Russian transliteration, assuming you can read it, is probably a pretty good guide. Surprisingly enough.

Varlaam (talk)

It never occurred to me before, but if you came across a reference to "Constant Lambert" having never heard of him before, it would not be unreasonable to assume it was a French name. Constant is hardly the top name for boys in the anglosphere, and Lambert was probably originally French. But the truth is he was not French, and his name is pronounced in the English way. The writers of Russian WP haven't done their research, methinks. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 18:54, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

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Compositions

The current article (at Feb 2019) states "Lambert himself considered he had failed as a composer, and completed only two major works in the remaining sixteen years of his life." No source reference is given for these assertions. The last 16 years of Lambert's life covers the period 1935 to 1951, and the list of compositions suggests that he certainly composed more than two major works in this period. He certainly didn't stop composing altogether, as one who considered themselves failed might be expected to do. Perhaps the person who wrote the statement has a different view of what constitutes major works for a composer? I suggest that unless there is a reference attribution for the statement it should be removed or corrected. 86.185.92.26 (talk) 20:46, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Diagnosis

• "his health, which declined further with the development of diabetes that remained undiagnosed and untreated until very late in his life".
• "Lambert died on 21 August 1951, two days short of his forty-sixth birthday, of pneumonia and undiagnosed diabetes"

The two statements contradict each other. Was the condition diagnosed during his lifetime or not? Tim riley talk 09:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)