Talk:Concatedral de San Nicolás, Alicante

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The result of the move request was: Move to Concatedral de San Nicolás, Alicante Mike Cline (talk) 17:00, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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San Nicolas Cathedral, Alicante → Alacant Cathedral – The names of Spanish Cathedral articles on Wikipedia generally use either the translated name into English (Good Shepherd Cathedral of San Sebastián) or simply "[City name] Cathedral" (Valencia Cathedral). The Valencian Community has two official languages, and I think it's better to not default to one language. Since the formal name in English is a bit unwieldy, I propose simply "Alacant Cathedral." Alexandrecomas (talk) 02:36, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

• Comment - What do reliable English language sources call it? That is what we go by. We do not make up names for things just because we don't like them, or that they are too "unwieldy" , btw what is "Catheral" [sic].--Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎 04:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
• Comment. If moved it should be to Alicante Cathedral, since Alicante is overwhelmingly the common English name of the city and what it's called in our article on it. However, I'm not convinced that even this is the common name. The city website calls it the Concatedral de San Nicolás. We need to know what English-language guidebooks commonly call it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:37, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
• Thanks, Alexandre. Personally I'd go with your proposal for Alacant, but unfortunately only the Basque, Welsh and Irish wps have adopted the Valencian name for Valencia's 2nd city. I imagine it'll be another generation before English, German, Dutch and French speakers catch up with post-Franco Spain in this respect. Effectively Alicante, the Spanish exonym for Alacant, is also the English exonym for Alacant, in the same way as most of the List of Spanish exonyms for Catalan toponyms. It appears to be only smaller towns, unfamiliar in English and Spanish, where English does not adopt the Spanish exonym. As for the choice between Sant Nicolau / Saint Nicholas / San Nicolás? San Nicolás would be more normal per the limited English sources: Lonely Planet "the old quarter around Catedral de San Nicolás"; Frommer's 2009 "right opposite the San Nicolás cathedral." In ictu oculi (talk) 15:05, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

cf. Concatedral de San Nicolás el Magno, Colombia. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:02, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry Alexandre, after thinking and looking at the (lack of) English sources WP:AT indicates default to accurate local sources, in which case this should be at Concatedral de San Nicolás, Alicante, fixing both the missing Con- and missing á (which appears to be the only "San Nicolás" misspelled on en.wp, and one of only 2 churches in Spain on en.wp with this kind of misspelling). In ictu oculi (talk) 12:10, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

• Admin comment: Will move to Concatedral de San Nicolás, Alicante, per In ictu oculi in 24 hours unless someone objects. --Mike Cline (talk) 15:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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