Talk:Comparison of North American ski resorts

Missing all resorts in PA, including Seven Springs, etc.

Removed the double prime/quotation mark that was designating inches for average annual snow fall. It was inconsistently implemented and redundant. a single prime isn't used to designate feet in the table. Zoink (talk) 18:15, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I didn't intend for the title of the page to be lowercase, but I cannot figure out how to edit this.

Seems like two obvious omissions to this article are the resorts of Sun Valley, Idaho, and Grand Targhee, Wyoming (near the town of Alta). The second of these was ranked by Forbes in their top ten ski resorts in the US of 2014, but fails to even appear on this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.190.250 (talk) 19:33, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Added Sun Valley and Grand Targee. Zoink (talk) 18:30, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Can't get the chart to sort properly.--99.229.19.99 (talk) 03:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

This article is a joke, either it should be expanded so that there aren't any glaring omissions, and then given regular attention, or the article should be deleted. 174.23.114.176 (talk) 04:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree with this. Someone with an account want to start that process? --65.19.244.206 (talk) 18:52, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

As of January, 2015, this article remains a joke. There isn't a single resort listed from Minnesota or Wisconsin. Seriously? As said five years ago, if its' not going to be complete, it shouldn't exist. Jplflyer (talk) 05:59, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Agreed-- this would be a very helpful article, except that it looks to be comprehensive and leaves out some major resorts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.38.3 (talk) 15:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

This is a fabulous table. However, may I suggest the following columns:

Distance in miles from major airport Name of major airport — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.135.168 (talk) 14:42, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

QuantumC: Fixed several items on the page, moved references below the table and made it easier to compare by removing text data from columns. Would like to see a link to the resorts trail map page for better functionality.

Accuracy?

[OK, I just fixed this in the article... looks like they had the acreage and vertical drop number swapped] For the ultimate accuracy mistake in this article, look at the "Vertical Drop" stat for Mammoth Mountain, CA. It is listed as "3,500", but 3,100 is what one gets when they subtract the base from the top (which Wikipedia and Mammoth’s site both list as 11,053-7,953=3,100) and Mammoth's site correctly lists their vertical drop as 3,100 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.152.101 (talk) 17:26, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Look at Sno Country to adjust some stats. Skiable acres for example is different between the two. I don't know how either is created but I have not found many errors in the with Sno Country's data so I trust that and because they are located in NH the New England data ad the least is accurate.

http://www.snocountry.com/ski-reports/vermont

Also you can compare their page to this to find ski areas that are left off from this page. A big one I noted was Sunday River Maine. It is not here but they are one of the largest areas in the north east. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.152.118 (talk) 14:01, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Theres some Missing resorts. one notable one is Panorama Ski Resort in Bc, Canada. http://www.panoramaresort.com/the-mountain/mountain-stats considering its vertical drop of 4,000ft its one of the 3 biggest resorts in canada, just behind kicking horse. 216.57.96.4 (talk) 18:26, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree that this article is so bad it is ludicrous. Reading it makes me question the validity of Wikipedia as a source of reasonably accurate knowledge! For example, there is no mention of any of the ski areas at Aspen, and that is one of the premier resorts in the world. Wikipedia should be ashamed of posting something this weak. Ifiglus (talk) 04:28, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree with this. Someone with an account want to start the deletion process? Else, I'd really be interested in this article if it were to be completed. At this state it is ridiculous. --65.19.244.206 (talk) 18:52, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Where is Whiteface Mtn., Wilmington, NY (Lake Placid)??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.127.171.154 (talk) 17:44, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Article is very bad. Areas above Vancouver BC (Grouse, Seyoumour) have their base elevation value in meters shown here as in feet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.207.240 (talk) 06:16, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Lift Subjectivity

Should things like paddle tows, "magic carpets" be counted as lifts? Zoink (talk) 17:51, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

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Missing Areas

It seems like there are a lot of ski areas missing from this list. I'm going to start working on adding them. Please let me know if there are any issues you spot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlsmith91 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Units

Why are all the measurements not only in English units but with no metric units displayed at all? Malcolmmwa (talk) 04:36, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Self-published tag

I added the self published tag.

All the data seems to be simply copied from resorts' websites, which are notorious for inflating stats. Vertical drop is measured "from the top of the flagpole to the bottom of the pond" in common parlance.

Do we really do anyone a favor by uncritically repeating marketing propaganda?

It would be great to have real, independently verified stats on wikipedia, but what's here is junk.

Not sure what the right path forward is, but a spot check of resorts I'm familiar with indicates that a) vertical drop stats are inflated in many cases, b) other stats are simply wrong (e.g. Alpine Valley in Michigan is 450 feet below lake Michigan) , and c) lift ticket prices are several years old.

Moreover, as more resorts adopt "congestion pricing" it's impossible to say what a "weekend adult full day lift ticket" costs. Seems like the pricing column is a maintenance nightmare that should be abandoned. Not sure what to do about all the bad self-reported data. Ideas? Mr. Swordfish (talk) 02:30, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

If all ski resorts inflate on their sites, then at least there is a form of consistency.

This is a good point, but challenging to address. It is unlikely that we will be able to measure this ourselves in person. However, a methodology using e.g. USGS data (https://ngmdb.usgs.gov/topoview/viewer) to measure the lowest and highest lift points could bring more consistency, but would exclude true drop from areas only accessible to hiking/touring.

I additionally feel that SI units should be standard for mountain (and all other) uses.

I will try my hand with my local resorts in a sandbox and link it back here. Blubbs (talk) 19:31, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Wrt altitude measurements: The USGS is a good source, and reliable. However, I should think the easiest way of spot checking the possibly inflated altitudes would be to look at google maps, with terrain layer turned on. Most ski resorts are accurately drawn with lifts and pistes in color. Another thought, google is probably more current than USGS maps.

Pricing: Even with variable pricing, such as discounts and congestion increases, there should be a standard weekend lift ticket price which can be compared across the board. I would like to know the differences between tickets across the West so I argue this should be kept.

I'd be glad to update this information even if it takes some time. Swordfish is correct that maintaining this is difficult. Xoxua (talk) 20:09, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Finally, it might be worth citing other sources of information such as https://www.snow-online.com/highest_ski-resorts/north-america if it can be determined they are not just reprinting what resorts declare altitudes to be. Xoxua (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)