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Questions

Latest comment: 14 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Points regarding "4th busiest airport" and "ready for A380s" may have to be double checked for veracity. Also, is this a public airport or a private-public one? ````PST

The official webite of the airport [1] confirms that it has already handled "Airbus 380 super jumbo, Boeing 747 Jumbo , Airbus 300, 310, 320, Boeing 737 - 400, B777, A-330, A-340 etc. ". And this Kerala Government site [2] (scroll down) says that it is the fourth busiest airport after Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai.
The airport is managed through a public-private tie up, and is open to the general public. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK10:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I am removing the information on A380 capability of Cochin Airport. None of the above two sites (Cochin Airport nor Kerala IT Mission) cite such an information. A query in Google news on Cochin airport and A380 does not give a single credible news event. rams81 (talk) 11:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Response

Latest comment: 14 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

How to distinguish between promoter hype and the factual position, Bangalore HAL also claims to be "4th busiest"! Which is it really? Moreover, it seems highly unlkely that CIAL has "already handled A380".220.224.8.11 01:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)PST.

New statistics are released every month [3], it seems that the positions must be fluctuating. Could you be more specific as to why CIAL couldn't have handled the A380 already? Perhaps the website means "Flights it can handle" ? -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK02:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Please note that the external link A-Z World Airports says biggest aircraft CIAL can handle are only B747 and ILS. Besides A380s are still only in prototype form, not commercal service. Btw, which civilian carriers, if any, operate ILS at CIAL?

There is no webnews or verification that CIAL has already handled an A380. However, the websites does suggest that the airport is "adept" in handling the Jumbo. Highly unlikely that CIAL is the 4th busiest in India. As for Civilian Carriers, the Airports Authority of India website notes 5 airlines: Air India, Indian Airlines, Jet Airways, Oman Air & Silk Air. Based on the Arrival / departure section of the airport website, Spicejet, Emirates and Kingfisher also have flights from this airport. Theruvath Prasanth Mathew (talk) 05:17, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Photographs copyright?

Latest comment: 14 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Photographs are not allowed in Indian airports, Sangfroid could not have taken those photos himself, even if he did he's probably not the original owner of the photographs...

Clarifications? arnie 14:13, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I reckon they are allowed, what's the harm in taking photos ina public building? But does Kochi airport have 4 terminals? 220.227.156.156 11:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

From my understanding, there is a regulation in India that makes it an offense to take photographs in Airports. Probably this is limited to the more security sensitive areas like the apron and taxi / parking bays. Theruvath Prasanth Mathew (talk) 05:04, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 17:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Issues with "issues" section

Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The "issues" section appears to be written by someone portraying a negative image and expressing an overall disinterest in the development of the airport. None of the issues seems really valid for encyclopedic content may be except the "distance factor" from Kochi city. 86.2.254.49 (talk) 03:09, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I have found the SVG logo for the article here (The logo is on the last page of the document). But this logo does not contains the words "Cochin International Airport Ltd." as shown on the page currently. It only has the symbol. I was wondering which one would be more appropriate? --JovianEye (talk) 16:10, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism happening in Cochin Airport

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I have information that IP Address Owner 59.182.181.21 is trying to vandalise the Cochin Airport forum, to ensure it remains less informative. Editors, please be aware of such people. Any suggestions for improving the article is welcome- Kish —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.131.127 (talk) 17:52, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Cargo Airlines

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Before deleting any airlines, pls talk first. Air India, Etihad, Emirates, Saudi Arabian, Kuwait Airlines and Qatar airways operate aircrafts that can carry both PAX and Cargo. There are separte cargo offices of these airlines in Cargo terminal. Currently only Deccan and Blue Dart have exclusive freight operations, rest all are regular aircrafts operating in both passenger and cargo operations. Kochi is a major cargo destination, with more than 40,000 MT of cargo handled regularly to Middle East countries. Hence pls do verify the truth--Arunvarmaother (talk) 15:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Kochi 4th busiest airport

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

In a recent edit, I found somebody tried to marginalize the reality or fact that Kochi is the 4th busiest international Airport in India in terms of International traffic. If you have any doubt, before deleting, its fair and natural to discuss in this area. Kochi is the 4th busiest airport, for which references to support, has been updated.--Arunvarmaother (talk) 04:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Imaginary flights, pls donot report here

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Friends

Lot of editing is now happening at Scheduled airlines list. Some are very geninue which must be encouraged. However I feel, some people requires an insight how things should be reported at Wikipedia. I have been seeing a number of airlines that donot operate currently, speculated to be operating soon, have been reported here. See, this is an encyclopedia, not any promotional material. Unless we are sure about the actual operation of an airline to the airport, its not fair to report here

Let me summarize, the following airlines are expressed their interest to operate to/from Cochin International Airport, for which documentation and paper-works are going on with the authorities and the idea remains mere as a proposal, unless approved and listed in their official schedules

  • 1. Kingfisher Airlines- Kochi-Colombo (Got permission from DGCA, but postponed indefinitely for internal refleeting)
  • 2. Condor Air- Kochi- Frankfurt (Got permission from DGCA and CIAL authorities, but postponed indefinitely for internal issues and lack of permission to land at Bahrain airport)
  • 3. Akashagana Airlines, Kochi-Lucknow, Kathmandu, Delhi (Proposal made, not yet recevied permissions from DGCA, because it is an regional airline based in UP and requires special permission or re-registration at Kerala, to fly from Kochi)
  • 4. RAK Airways Kochi-Jeddah, RAK (Idea still remains with the company, not yet made an application before DGCA). A recent press-release made by the company, reported in many Indian Newspaper was later found as an error as they reported Kochi-Jeddah flights, instead of reporting as Kozhikode-Jeddah flights.
  • 5. Mahan Airways Kochi-Tehran, Dubai. (The flight was grounded by DGCA on citing lack of safety measures and doubt and currently allows just one flight of the company which has been certified FIT by DGCA to Delhi. The company hasn't made any proposal or application till now for resuming Kochi-Tehran services back)
  • 6. Singapore Airlines Cargo, Kochi-Singapore, is a hoax and not true. Currently limited cargo is transported via Silk Air's Kochi-Singapore route and most of them are transported via Chennai

Please donot further report these airlines again and again, unless documented with actual permission or date of commencement of these flights.--Arunvarmaother (talk) 05:52, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Air India Regional

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Air India regional Agatti Flights

I feel there is some confusion in the AI Regional Flight. Infact, though the sector is marked as AI REGIONAL, with CD code, in AI Website, the flight is now marked as IC Coded.

Since I travelled from Agatti to Bangalore on last week, let me tell you that the flight orignates from Agatti at 12:00 Noon as IC 7502, reaching Kochi at 13:30 hrs. Agatti-Kochi is only marked as CD Code, as the same flight continues the journey as IC 519 to Chennai from Kochi at 14:15 to reach Chennai at 15:45 with a marked stop-over of 45 minutes at Chennai. The flight IC 519 further continues to Bangalore starting at 16:45 hrs from Chennai reaching Bangalore at 17:25

That means a passenger booked from Agatti to Bangalore in Air India, will start his journey at 12:00 Noon and reach Bangalore at 17:25 with 2 stop overs each of 45 minutes.

Hence, I feel this flight IC 7502-IC 519 has to report as Air India Regional

http://flights.makemytrip.com/makemytrip/flightSearchSubmit.do?searchKey=11a49a009a3%7C9378%7C082c%7C01dd%7C21d0a363&searchDirect=null

There is one more additional flight from Chennai to Agatti and Bangalore to Agatti, via Cochin, operating on Alternate days which is an ATR Flight. Agatti-Chennai via Cochin is operated as IC 502 AND Agatti-Bangalore via Kochi is operated as IC 504 with vice versa reported as IC 501 and IC 503 respectively. But the timing of this flight in morning, not afternoon and then entire flight is purely Indian Airlines coded services, as there is no 4 digit occuring.--Arunvarmaother (talk) 14:12, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Citations

Latest comment: 13 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion

Infact for past two days, I have seen a member called Induzcreed trying to remove given citations and making points as per his likings whether its valid or not, without talking at discussion which is more right way to do so.

Anyways, let me express my opinion

1. Cochin Airport is a registered Public Authority as per Kerala State Public Information Commission coming under purview of RTI (Right of Information Act). This means, any information expressed in CIAL's website is legally true and bidding and in case of any false information expressed in its website, members of public are authorized to prosecute the company as per provisions of RTI for misrepresentation. All its tenders, notices, circulars posted in its website thereby is authentic. In most of the tenders issued by the company, as a fore-note they have expressed that they are the 4th busiest airport in international traffic. Pls refer http://www.aai.aero/traffic_news/TRJAN2010.pdf to see the percentage of increase.


  • Secondly Rediff in its 2010 best airport survey, as listed Cochin among top 10 which also carries data of 4th busiest airport. I fail to understand in what way, Rediff is not a valid link- PLS EXPLAIN
  • Likewise Yatra.com is a major Indian airlines search engine portal and they have information about Air India Express base at Kochi. Pls clarify in what way Yatra.com is not valid reference. Are you looking for Britannica as the final word of reference, then I am sorry, as rarely we have information from that source referred here

Pls clarify and talk things required as a matter to sort out things and to help this page improve its quality and betterment for review--Arunvarmaother (talk) 13:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

  • You are claiming that you are contributing "SO MUCH" and me not.That is NOT the case here.Asking for citations and removing invalid citations are normal in Wikipedia.
  • Initially you or some other editor provided a citation showing the statistics of Air Traffic from aai site which is AUTHENTICATED.But on verifying it was observed that it is outdated by 4 years.So Asked for similar citation(s) without deleting the content.Otherwise prove it.Now you provided a different citation.Why can't you or any others can provide such citations from aai or similar sites NOT from commercial travel sites.COMMERCIAL sites are NOT ALLOWED in wiki. Check : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Commercial_links.So Yatra.com CANNOT be considered as a Valid Citation.
  • So always provide VALID references to support the statements providing.Whats wrong in it?

Thanks--Induzcreed (talk) 13:01, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

There is no wrong in asking citations, which is prefectly valid. Most of the citations are either from Cochin Airport Website or any of their tenders or circulars or notices issued by CIAL. Friend, CIAL is a public authority defined by Government of India's Public Information Commission under RTI Act. So any information published in their website or tenders are prefectly valid. To prove an information valid, I have quoted tenders issued by CIAL, mostly inbetween Nov 2009-March 2010, which carries forenote about Cochin Airport and various rank positions like 4th busiest etc. Unless you read whats mentioned in the content, how can you determine the citation is not valid.

Secondly AAI publishes its passenger record numbers only once in 2 years. Perhaps they may issue to airport operators or Parilament, but rarely public can see traffic stats on annual basis. Rather AAI publishes monthly traffic stats which is regularly updated in their website. Can I or anybody else post monthly stats and cite it for an annual information? The last time AAI published is 2008, so how do you expect any person to give you 2009 or 2010 data? Almost all wikipedia Indian Airports uses this 2008 data, hence citing its not valid ONLY FOR COCHIN is not right.

Thirdly who defined for you YATRA is a commercial site? They are India's largest travel portal, handling nearly one million travellers. They have dedicated information site, where they update airport related information. Wikipedia's commercial policy is limited only against adverstiments and information based on ad sources. But definitely not information from an info-page of a commercial site. Else we cannot authentic any information from any airline or airport websites, as they all fall under commercial tag. So first need to understand what does Wikipedia means as per its commercial policy.

There is no doubt for providing valid citations, but there must be logic in deciding which is valid or which not. It cannot be based on mere individual perspectives. Anyhow glad to see you talk here, so that we can sort which are okay and which not and reasons so.........--Arunvarmaother (talk) 19:06, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Again you are going in circles..!!!The citation used there is of 2006 statistics..As you mention it is not available to the year 2010 now.You admitting that the latest being for 2008.Is that may a valid?Then what is the necessity os replacing with other one.If the 2008 statistics from aai itself is supporting the statement why declining to provide that there instead providing from a different source?If cannot support the statement with 2008 statistics from aai;the statement shall be removed. Thanks --Induzcreed (talk) 12:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Either you are blind or tend to act as blind. The stats used in Cochin Airport was 2008, as that was the last stats published by AAI and it was made there. And please note, it was not added by me, rather somebody else. And its you have removed the same. I understand your motives well. But I assure, it rarely undergoes here--Arunvarmaother (talk) 16:52, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Resumption of UL flights

Latest comment: 13 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Yes UL is resuming flights to COK. But no news article other than this one mentions a date of resumption. News articles such as this and thisconfirm that UL is resuming flights but do not mention the date. So would it be right to add UL's destination to the article now?
Abhishek191288 (talk) 06:14, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Until an exact date is known, this shouldn't be listed. jasepl (talk) 06:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
As mentioned in my above discussion, only one article claims the date of resumption (1 february) of UL flights to COK. No other news article on the web nor the official website of UL talk about the same. Moreover had it been confirmed, bookings for the same would have opened by now. Till there is an official confirmation, please do not add UL in the destination table. Thanks, Abhishek191288 (talk) 13:40, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Logo

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I feel the SVG logo of CIAL must be retained, because it is an SVG file. Moreover there is a difference between company and airport. CIAL is an independent registered society and it is this society that holds the airport. I think, we must differentiate between CIAL and cochin airport. I appeal, let the SVG file remains as logo of airport company--Arunvarmaother (talk) 19:40, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Safety and firefighting

Latest comment: 13 years ago9 comments2 people in discussion

I believe these section is relevant. The argument Every well built structure in the world has fire fighting facilities, so it's nothing new about Cochin airport doesn't stand. Every airport have arrival and departure terminals, gates, runway etc.

DileepKS(talk) 05:26, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Firefighting is the basic need for any multi-storey building in the world, so it is not something new that Cochin airport has. Coming to airport gates, terminals, runway, yes these are something that need to be included in an airport article as each airport's gates, terminals, runway(s) are the main features of an airport and they need not be the same as other airports in the world.
Abhishek191288 (talk) 05:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Firefighting facilities in an airport also varies from airport to airport, just like the other facilities. If you would like to rewrite the section, or suggest modifications, that is understandable. Removing the whole section has no basis. I suggest to reinstate the section, and then we work on editing out irrelevant information.

DileepKS(talk) 06:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely pointless to have that. Besides I have a doubt on your NPOV. Abhishek191288 (talk) 06:18, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand why you bring POV here. The paragraph details what firefighting facilities are available at the airport. It is unique and very relevant information about the airport. Why do you seems to be upset with that information? In such an extent to assert that it is absolutely pointless and call NPOV?

You can object if an information is incorrect or unreferenced. You can object if an information is plain redundant. You can also object if the information is biased. The said paragraph is none of these. It details the facts firefighting facilities in the airport, which is very important. I tend to think that you are simply reluctant to let go of a point you raised.

I request you to reinstate the paragraph, and suggest edits if needed. A blanket objection such as absolutely pointless doesn't stand.

DileepKS(talk) 07:14, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand this. Firefighting is the same wherever you go. As I told you Cochin airport is not one to have some special features in it. All airport websites do have info about firefighting and other safety measures, but that does not mean it has to be included in the respective article.
Abhishek191288 (talk) 10:14, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, it is evident that you don't understand. Firefighting is NOT the same wherever you go, just like everything else with the airport. Each airport have different capabilities and equipment. Some just have simple water tenders. Some have foam tenders as well. Many have integrated Crash Tenders. Some have RIVs. Each facility is calibrated for a different maximum response time also. Each facility have different medivac facilities. Still, you claim its all the same wherever you go? The fact of the matter is, no two airports are the same in terms of firefighting capability.

You are a very senior editor. I expected better from you. Maybe you are still a bit disturbed by the block. I suggest you reconsider when you have calmed down a bit.

DileepKS(talk) 11:11, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Among all the other airport articles that I edit which do include some of the best airports, there is no section about firefighting at all. The main focus on an airport article is destinations out of the airport (both passenger and cargo), transport to the airport, salient features about the terminal(s), runway, groung handling. Firefighting not being one of them. I suggest you to look at one of the best airport articles - London Heathrow Airport and John F. Kennedy International Airport and see what the main focus of the article is. Firefighting is not an important section. Rather than doing a clean-up of the article which the article is in urgent need, you are just focused on one section. Just read throught the article, it looks like a blatant advertisement. I suggest you to clean-up the entire article if you really want to improve it rather that being focused on firefighting.

And coming to my block, I was wrongly accused of whatever it was and I suggest you not to interfere in the same.
Abhishek191288 (talk) 11:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I am planning to clean up the article. Need to find some time. Firefighting is not something readily visible to a regular user of the airport. that maybe the reason why it doesn't feature on the quoted pages. that doesn't mean it should be removed from the page.

Someone put some effort to add the text. There is no need to remove it unless it is violating some rules of Wikipedia. I don't see any reason for you to be adamant on this.

DileepKS(talk) 12:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

No Need to try WP:OWN This article

Latest comment: 13 years ago7 comments2 people in discussion

Editor Abhishek191288 is apparently trying to OWN this article, by imposing his views on what is relevant and what is not. This is not an acceptable practice on Wikipedia.

The financial information is very relevant about an airport. If you have contributions to make on the way it is presented, please edit. Removing it is not a good method.

DileepKS(talk) 04:52, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

First of all I'm not trying to own the article like you. I edit several airport articles and do know what is right and wrong. Besides this is an airport article and not an article about the company that owns the airport. Besides what is this? No such thing exists on my talk. So it is you who is trying to own the article and not me. Think twice before you re-instate and make such stupid claims. Abhishek191288 (talk) 04:59, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Calling someone stupid does not reflect well on the high standards expected from an editor of Wikipedia. I am sure an editor like you, with a huge edit history would know that much. You are also add a tone of arrogance and a threat by the 'think twice' call. Being polite is something fundamental to Wikipedia, and I am sure I don't have to remind you of that.

An airport is as much of a commercial venture, as it is a transportation system. The financial information is very relevant. You are trying to impose your view here, by unilaterally removing sections. That is equal to owning the article. Please avoid that. The talk page is the tool to achieve consensus. Use that.

Let me repeat. If you see a problem with the way something is presented, please edit that. Removing entire sections is not a good method. I have edited the section on financials, to make is neutral and encyclopediac in language. Suggest/edit if needed. Do not delete it.

DileepKS(talk) 05:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Where did I call you stupid? I said don't make stupid claims. Besides no transport related article has financial status on wikipedia. The problem with you is that you are associated only with Kerala related articles. First have a good look at other such articles and then comment. And I repeat again, it is an airport article and NOT an article about the company that owns it. Besides don't bring arrogance into picture coz you have more than me. If you have forgotten have a look at this again. Gosh! You and User:Arunvarmaother are the same. Abhishek191288 (talk) 05:41, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for admitting that 'it is an airport article and an article about the company that owns it'. It is clear that the financials are important. The other airports in India are run by public sector, where financials may not be important.

I am sorry to say that you are being arrogant and imposing, which is unbecoming of a good editor of wikipedia.

Do you want to go for WP:3PO on this? I find it difficult to discuss for a consensus, because you are trying to stonewall any discussion, possibly because you are stuck with your POV on things.

DileepKS(talk) 06:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

BTW that was a typo. I forgot to type the word NOT. Besides why do you want to include promotion-like stuff in the article. I am trying to clean it up here and you are making it more messy. I am sorry to say that you are being arrogant and imposing, which is unbecoming of a good editor of wikipedia: the same applies to you too. The other airports in India are run by public sector, where financials may not be important: Really? Then who operates BLR and HYD? The common man? They are a consortium (BIAL and HIAL respectively are private companies) of private partners. Which is why for some time you need to go beyond the boundaries of Kerala and have a look at other similar articles and then comment. BTW I have already reported to an admin asking for his opinion. Let's see what he has to say. Abhishek191288 (talk) 06:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

User Dileep is a real pain in a*. He edits only Kochi article and is trying to create max hype. He wants to glorify all the articles related to his favourite city. Please do not count him as a Kerala editor, but only as a Kochi editor, as he work only for Kuchi. He has got some fellow editors (all appeared and became active by Oct/Nov2010), like Arunvarmaother, Mountainwhiskey, and bijuts. All these guys have received many warnings/blocks by admins till date. These editors are trying to over glorify any thing related to kuchi. IMHO these kind of people should be blocked forever. Regards, (a wiki reader). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.193.221.202 (talk • contribs) 12:40, 10 January 2011

Thanx for complements, unknown wiki reader.
The issue of what is relevant on an Airport page is left to WP:3PO to resolve it once for all. Abhishek, please add any other points that you do question the relevance of to the list in the section if you may.

DileepKS(talk) 10:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Third Party Response Needed

Latest comment: 13 years ago9 comments5 people in discussion

This is to seek WP:3PO response to the following issues that could not be resolved by discussions on the talk page. The core of the issue is what information is relevant and what is not on the article of an airport.

  1. Is the description/detail of support facilities like firefighting, fueling, navigation, at the airport relevant and to be included on the page?
  2. Is the financial status/detail of the airport, such as revenues, profit/loss etc relevant on the page?
  3. Are the activities of the airport that is subsidiary or complementary to the primary function as a transportation system, such as retail, hospitality, flight catering, cargo processing etc, relevant on the page?

DileepKS(talk) 10:05, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


First of all firefighting is not relevant as all airports will obviously have a firefighting facility. Added to this I think even the Safety and security section needs to be removed as there is no airport in the world which does not have security systems installed in it and it is nothing new about COK.
As explained to you a number of times that this article is about the airport and not the company that owns and operates the same. Financial statement is irrelevant. And your claim that COK is the only public-private venture is FALSE. We do have the well known metropolitan city airports (Bangalore and Hyderabad) which are run by private consortiums owned by GVK, GoK, GoI, Seimens, Zurich Airport for BLR and GMR, GoAP, GoI for HYD. These two airport articles do not have a financial status section at all.
Your question to retail, hospitality, flight catering, cargo processing, etc. These sections can be included but a detailed description on the same is not required.
Detailed description of the features of an airport is what is needed for the relevant article. Detailed description of other facilities is not required at all. Infact inclusion of firefighting, security is not necessary. One to two lines on other facilities (retail, cargo, hospitality, etc.) is more than enough.
The problem with you and User:Arunvarmaother is that you guys are stuck to the boundaries of Kochi. You need to go beyond these boundaries look at the relevant articles beyond your boundary and then make a point. The matter of the fact is that you guys are trying to own Kochi related articles but are blaming it on others.

Abhishek191288 (talk) 11:40, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Abhishek, let me remind you that this is the third party response section. You have made your points already elsewhere, and I have made mine. Let the WP:3PO process take its course please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DileepKS69 (talk • contribs) 13:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Mr Dileep just letting you know that the above was my participation in the discussion. If you have posted something for opinion, I have the rights to give mine. I posted my opinion so that the discussion becomes clear. Abhishek191288 (talk) 03:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


I too think that there are many irrelevant details added in this article. The article is written like an advertisement. I have already posted my thoughts in the peer review, but the editors were too adamant to keep such wp: soap meterials. --Samaleks (talk) 15:46, 11 January 2011 (UTC)


  Response to third opinion request:
In reply to your three points to go to a Third Opinion,

1- Detail of support facilities- excessive

2- Detail of financial information- slightly excessive. Limit this to about 4 sentances.

3- Detail of ancillary services- excessive

There should be an inline citation about the public/private status of the company

Information in the Infrastructure section is excessive- eg "number of gates, number of counters" is not needed. Should be condensed to a few paragraphs.

Information in the Services section is excessive- eg the list of all the lounges, should read "a number of lounges, cafes, ... are avaliable". Should be condensed to a few paragraphs.

Information in CIAL Aerotropolis section is excessive- should be incorporated with Services, or a new article dedicated just to the Aerotropolis should be created (I am not saying that the Aerotropolis should become another article, but may be considered.)

Information in Safety and Security section is marginally excessive. I recommend that it remains unchanged.

Overall, this article should be reduced so that the critical airline information stands out, and is supplemented by additional relevant information. This is a Aviation article, not a business article, and thus there is too much additional irrelevant information. Possibly, annother business article should be created about CIAL, which can contain the financial information. This article is a good article. These changes can get it to become a better article.—Panpanman (talk) 16:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Additionally, it is in my opinion that this article is not written like an advertisment, and that the tag should be removed. Panpanman (talk) 16:36, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Just edited the contents on this page and expanded a bit. Will be good to have more input from someone else interested. Regards, Theruvath Prasanth Mathew.

Excessive content on unrelated matters should be removed. Support services, Financial details etc could be mentioned very briefly. See WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT for the generally accepted things that should be mentioned in an airport article. TheMike •Wassup doc? 18:01, 11 January 2011 (UTC)


The article is written much sloapy and puffery. Many claims are not cited. Some cited sources does not actually back the claim made.
For instance, a lead sentence "The Cochin airport has been termed as one of the most consistent profitable airport in India despite the major slowdown across the airports in various cities in India" looks like an attempt to boost the airport. Infact, most of the airports in India was profitable. None of the citations clearly says anything about CIAL being the most profitable. The fact is that all international airports in India are profitable, and cochin airport is also one of them. But the lead sentence gives the reader a false or confused message.
The article length is another concern. So many minute details and silly information are added, which reduces the quality of the article.


Many sentences reads like a blog entry.
For eg; the sentence "It was then, V.J Kurien proposed the model of private-public partnership which was unheard at that time." How the editor arrived at the thought that no one was aware about private-public partnership?
Another one : "Though the project received several objections and criticisms for proposing it outside Government of India's control, the strong determination of V.J Kurien, helped it to start." What were the objections and criticisms? Please provide citations. It sounds a little peacock-word for V.J.Kurien; isn't it ?
Another example of false claim : "The airport area is under direct protection of Kochi Airport Police having a police station outside the terminal." There is no force called Kochi Airport Police. The internal link is given to "Kochi city police" and is masked with "Kochi Airport Police". If it is the city police that is in charge of the protection, why it should be named as Kochi Airport Police in the article? The sentence could be like "Kochi city police in in charge of the airport protection" as it would be more precise and conveys a clear message; right?

The points I made are just a few; to start with. And I feel the article is certainly written like an advertisement, and the tag should be retained until the quality is improved. --Samaleks (talk) 00:28, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Re-Phrasing the Head for a proper form.

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Listing all the airports that is busier than COK doesn't makes sense in the article. Just the ranking is good enough.

Reverting bona-fide edits without assigning a reason or an attempt of discussion doesn't make sense either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DileepKS69 (talk • contribs) 11:53, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Other airports doing it is not a good reason. A long list of other airports looks very bad on the page. Also, it is irrelevant. When you come to, say the 24th ranked airport, would you list all other 23 airports?

DileepKS(talk) 12:11, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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CIAL Aerotropolis

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The information on CIAL Aerotropolis is largely based on the Airport's website which is largely promotional. I could not find any news links about this anywhere.

The last available news link that I can fetch through Google News Archive is a The Hindu news article dated 13 Sep 2010, which only mentions this "Down the road, it is also embarking on a land utilization plan based on a study by Ernest and Young - an international consultancy firm- to develop city side infrastructure for setting up an Aerotropolis or an airport city on its property."

I suggest the section to be reduced to what it is as of now and the basic plan CIAL has envisaged. Details can always be added as and when it progresses. rams81 (talk) 18:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Traffic Ranking: Revisited as new data is available

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The following datapoints are available:

Data from April 2006 to March 2008 : http://www.aai.aero/traffic_news/mar2k8annex3.pdf Data from April 2007 to March 2009 : http://www.aai.aero/traffic_news/mar2k9annex3.pdf Data from April 2009 to October 2009 : http://www.aai.aero/traffic_news/oct2k9annex3.pdf Data from April 2010 to December 2010 : http://www.aai.aero/traffic_news/dec2k10annex3.pdf

You can see that data for Nov 2009 to March 2010, ie of five months is missing, out of 58 months total period . You can see that throughout the available data, COK has consistently maintained the relative position. That is good enough reference for the ranking, without the qualifier of time period. I suggest to remove the time period qualifier from the ranking (Or insert the precise period qualifier)

DileepKS(talk) 07:43, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Copyedit July 2011

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Hi

During the copyedit a few things came to light that need attention:

Construction
  • "small scale units" - what are these? Small scale units of what?
  • "Approximately 2,300 land owners and 872 families were resettled" - How does one resettle a land owner? Were the landowners given compensation and the families resettled?
Expansion
  • "the airside area" - what is "airside"?
  • "international arrivals and departures blocks were integrated and glass" - What was this integration, normally "integrated into something"
  • "common air side " - the airside thing again.
Shopping
  • "full-scale duty free shop" - what were the others? Half scale? Does this mean something along the lines of the largest?
Lounges
  • "for early and transit passengers" - what is early referring to?
Security
  • "CISF maintains 2 armed squadrons" - normally a squadron is of aircraft, not security personnel. If squad is meant, it should be put as numbers as a squad in America is of a particular number, 12 I believe?
Ground transportation
  • "The main railway line connecting Thiruvananthapuram" - what has Thiruvananthapuram got to do with the airport? Explain the relationship.
Buses
  • "with major parts of the city." - What city?
  • "Municipal Bus Station from where mofussil," - what is a mofussil?
Airside development
  • "Phase one of the airside zone has completed with commissioning of the MRO facilities." - again, what is "airside" and its associated zone?
Incidents and accidents
  • "On 25 April 2010, Emirates Flight EK 530, a Boeing 777-200 from Dubai ..." - what has this got to do with Cochin? Put in the details that say "to make a forced landing at Cochin" or similar.

Chaosdruid (talk) 02:55, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I did some copyedits to clarify.
airside is a recognized term with wrt airports. See Airport Jrafale1978 (talk) 15:45, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Apologies, I should have been more clear on that, the term needs to be explained to the general reader, such as "the airside area (the areas accessible to aircraft)" Chaosdruid (talk) 17:27, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I believe the airport article is a bit wrong about this and that the Wiktionary definition of airside is the correct one. As I understand it, the boundary between airside and landside is the security check. --Stfg (talk) 13:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
It seems Oxford dictionares agrees as well "the side of an airport terminal beyond passport and customs control" Chaosdruid (talk) 19:26, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal

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I do not believe that this duty free shop warrants a stand alone article. I realise it won some awards though, which may qualify it under some parameters. Chaosdruid (talk) 02:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

  • Support: I support the merge of Cochin Duty Free into this article. A separate article for Cochin Duty Free is unnecessary. It is part of the airport and depends on the airport for its operations. Hardly had any news coverage other than the awards it has received. — Abhishek  Talk 13:48, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
  • SupportPer above reasons, better to merge in the mentioned section.--ÐℬigXЯaɣ 07:29, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose I would prefer a small write up of Duty Free shop in Airport article and leave the rest for its dedicated article. Given the zealous some of the editors have, wrt Kochi articles, merging it would mean they will add too many details into its section making the airport article very long. rams81 (talk) 16:30, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Airport Location

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I foresee an edit war with respect to listing Kochi in the location as in CIAL, Nedumbassery, Kerala, India or CIAL, Nedumbassery, Kochi, India. I request the editors favouring the latter option to check articles of Heathrow Airport, Charles de Gualle Airport, Toronto Pearson Airport and also articles of new Hyderabad airport. All these airports are located around 25-30 km of their respective serving cities and in their greater metropolitian areas. rams81 (talk) 17:16, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Then I suggest we use the CDG example. 25 km north of Kochi. DileepKS(talk) 09:04, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
CDG is not an apt example as the reason it is mentioned as "25 km from Paris" is because the airport is spread over a 33 sq area covering 3 départements and six communes (Ref http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris-Charles_de_Gaulle_Airport#Location)rams81 (talk) 18:36, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

It seems to be your assumption that the reason is the presence of multiple communes. We should take a step back and think what is the purpose of the field location in the infobox. It is to locate the airport, not to specify which local administration unit the place belongs to. Giving the bearings from the primary city the airport belongs to is the right way to locate it.

DileepKS(talk) 00:55, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

The reason I had to explain to you about the case of CDG is because you chose it as a reference. It was my mistake on the first part that I overlooked the special case of CDG. So, as you are aware, the purpose of the location field is to locate the airport, the fact that Nedumbassery is located 25 km north of Kochi is already stated in the main article. As is evident from the other articles on prominent airports, this field is used in the syntax of {local admin unit}, {state / province}, {country}. In that context the editor who added Nedumbassery, Kerala, India is precise. In case of people who still have doubts about where abouts of Nedumbassery, you have it explained in main article. rams81 (talk) 04:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Mention of CIAL selected to provide Visa on Arrival facility being constantly removed

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Recently, CIAL along with other airports was selected to provide VOA for certain countries http://ibnlive.in.com/news/tourist-visa-on-arrival-cial-selected/223195-60-116.html .

This was included in the lead but is being removed constantly by IP editors and others. The article and the edit both clearly mention that "CIAL was selected ...". One IP editor's contention was that it should be removed because it is not yet implemented. But, the edit says it is only Selected and not Implemented. And this has been supported by valid references. What is wrong in its inclusion? Aarem/Abhishek - Please suggest? Thanks - MountainWhiskey - talk 05:16, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Was selected for VOA makes it WP:UNDUE, IMO. But once this facility is available at the airport, I see no harm in including it. — Abhishek  Talk 14:08, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
I believe, it must be included as a mentioning, as part of writing about FRRO which currently functions in Kochi Airport. Please other wikipedians give their opinions. --Sunnythomaskochi (talk) 19:18, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
@Sunnythomaskochi, please read WP:UNDUE. VOA hasn't even been implemented, it has just been considered. — Abhishek  Talk 13:17, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Please join for a copyedit for CIAL page

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I am a new member in Wikipedia and wish for a copyedit of this page. I request interested wikipedians to join and make it error/neutral free. Welcoming everyone's comments. Lets make suggestions.

I starting first part now.... Please suggest and lets do it together.--Sunnythomaskochi (talk) 19:18, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Agree that a CE is needed, but adding too many sections as you did makes the article look weird with too many edit boxes. I'll make a CE request at GOCE. — Abhishek  Talk:: 13:17, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
@User:Abhishek191288 You have blantly reverted my edits, without a CE.... As a result old information is still kept, while new information not made. For example, there is no more a Pre-check in Restaurant. But by reverting, you have kept the old information of 2 restaurants intact. Likewise no more CIAL Tourism website.... I have deleted the same, but you have reverted back to retain it...

If the sections looks weird, why not copy edit the sections to make it more presentable than reverting the hardwork made by me......--Sunnythomaskochi (talk) 12:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I have reverted and made a CE, without adding newer sections..... Will be further editing to make more crisper and deleting unnessecary/obsolete information--Sunnythomaskochi (talk) 12:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I need to improve the page. Some one help me out - Metroman (talk) 12:00, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Someone committed vandalism on the page

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A person added some airlines that do not go to this airport. I reverted the edits he/she made. Please make sure to talk to that person who did it because I do not like it when people do that to wikipedia articles.72.89.35.142 (talk) 00:29, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 April 2013

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Add Indigo destination Pune which is available in goindigo.in 122.248.182.16 (talk) 07:48, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

  Done: Added by HkCaGu. — Abhishek  Talk 12:45, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request, 7 December 2013

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jet airways added dammam from 15th january jet airways not serving bahrain Binu jayakrishnan (talk) 16:57, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

addition jet airways dammam flight from 15 january 2014 ramove bahrain from jet airways destination — Preceding unsigned comment added by Binu jayakrishnan (talk • contribs) 17:21, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

  Not done for now: well, all but one entries in the passenger section are unsourced, so we probably shouldn't believe them at all, but let's make a start solving that: have you a source for the information about Jet Airways, please? --Stfg (talk) 14:26, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

runway dimensions are mentioned wrong

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The key characteristics of the runway at Cochin International Airport are as follows: Runway Length: 3400 m Runway Width: 45 m Runway Shoulder Width: 7.5 m (on both sides) Orientation: 27/09 Strength: PCN 60 Parallel Taxiway: 3400 m

from official website http://cial.aero/contents/viewcontent.aspx?linkIdLvl2=6&linkid=91 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Binu jayakrishnan (talk • contribs) 04:56, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

solar power plant going to inaugurate

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date not confirmed Cochin International Airport Ltd (CIAL) has set up a 1 MW solar plant. http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/logistics/more-indian-airports-taking-to-solar-energy/article5479117.ece — Preceding unsigned comment added by Binu jayakrishnan (talk • contribs) 05:03, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

cial to have naval enclave

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Indian Navy will set up a Naval Aircraft Enclave at Cochin International Airport Ltd (CIAL) The Naval Aircraft Enclave at CIAL will be the second such facility of the Navy attached to an international airport, after Mumbai. Cochin airport, developed on PPP mode, is the first non-government airport to hand over land to Navy for setting up an aircraft enclave. The enclave will comprise a hangar for bigger aircraft of navy, administrative office, disbursal center, apron capable of holding two Boeing aircraft and a taxi track. Construction of the enclave would commence shortly and would be supervised by the Military Engineering Services (MES) and the Indian Navy. the construction already started we can see in google maps source http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-04-11/kochi/38462783_1_indian-navy-cochin-international-airport-limited-cial

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/logistics/cial-to-have-naval-aircraft-enclave/article4602630.ece

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-kerala/navy-aircraft-enclave-at-cial/article4608982.ece — Preceding unsigned comment added by Binu jayakrishnan (talk • contribs) 05:08, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

tourist vissa on arrival and group landing permit

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from august onwards cochin airport is having tourist visa on arrival facilities from following countries Cambodia 

Finland
Indonesia
Japan
Laos
Luxembourg
Burma
New Zealand
Philippines
Singapore
Vietnam

source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_India source2 http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=101486

group landing permits kochi airport and seaport are included for group landing permits for tourists

source 1 http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=100486 source2 http://www.deccanchronicle.com/131208/news-current-affairs/article/focus-shifts-niche-package-tourism — Preceding unsigned comment added by Binu jayakrishnan (talk • contribs) 04:41, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

--Binu jayakrishnan (talk) 05:53, 22 December 2013 (UTC)== add seasonal chartered flights in flight destinations ==

there are some chartered flights almost 4 or 6 in an year to kochi from frankfurt and munich operated by condor airlines source http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/Tourists-arrive-for-joint-cruise/2013/11/26/article1911403.ece

--Binu jayakrishnan (talk) 05:52, 22 December 2013 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Binu jayakrishnan (talk • contribs) 04:45, 22 December 2013 (UTC) 04:45, 22 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Binu jayakrishnan (talk • contribs)

Edit Request 19 December 2013

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Jet Airways is launching service to Dammam from Cochin effective 15 January 2014. Source: http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets/News/Jet-Airways-enhances-connectivity-to-Saudi-Arabia/5833488815. 68.119.73.36 (talk) 07:08, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

jetairways not doing bahrain refer cochin airport website http://cial.aero/flightSearch/flightSearch.aspx?linkIdLvl2=12&linkId=12

or see their gds https://secure.jetairways.com/Jetobe/OnlineBooking.aspx

  Done --Mdann52talk to me! 13:22, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

please dont further edit runway chara of airport

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The key characteristics of the runway at Cochin International Airport are as follows: Runway Length: 3400 m Runway Width: 45 m Runway Shoulder Width: 7.5 m (on both sides) Orientation: 27/09 Strength: PCN 60 Parallel Taxiway: 3400 m

this is the actual dimension from official website

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Merger proposal

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I propose that Cochin Duty Free be merged into Cochin International Airport. I think that the content in the Cochin Duty Free article can easily be explained in the shopping section of the airport article, and the duty free article as it stands is overly promotional. any encyclopaedic content can be merged into the airport article. LibStar (talk) 06:15, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

if there are no comments I will merge after 20 October. LibStar (talk) 15:42, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

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The old domestic terminal will be used for PRIVATE BUSINESS JETS only. 122.171.27.36 (talk) 10:55, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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