Talk:Coat of arms of the State of Palestine

Post AfD discussion

Copied from User talk:S Marshall—S Marshall T/C 19:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Unless I'm missing something here, everyone who supported redirecting wanted to redirect it to Coat of arms of the Palestinian National Authority, at least that's what Staberinde explicitly said, Japinderum and Fut.Perf.'s clear impaction. In part because Japinderum said "content is minimal and already present at the other article" and Fut.Perf said "There is clearly not enough content for two distinct articles here". What other article then the PNA one might they be talking about? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 13:04, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Also no one ever suggested any target other the the PNA one. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 13:10, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

• I'm very, very cautious about closing anything that relates to Palestine because it's a subject area where feelings run high. The way I understood Future Perfect at Sunrise's comment was that he feels all the related content ought to end up somewhere else, e.g. in Coat of arms of Palestine. That seems logical to me and I didn't want to preclude that outcome, so I preferred to leave discussion open. If I'm wrong, all it means is the discussion will be short!—S Marshall T/C 15:31, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Sunrise said "Redirect (and then consider whatever page move might be appropriate for the target page, e.g. to Coat of arms of Palestine)". Coat of arms of Palestine is a redirect, not an article. I don't think he was talking about redirecting to (and then possibly moving) anything other then the authority article. Closing as redirect would not prejudice against moving the authority article.

Scene Sunrise's and Japinderum's redirect votes that could be interpreted as ambiguous, how about I ask them if their vote meant redirect to the authority article, or an ambiguous redirect, and if they meant "Redirect to Coat of arms of the Palestinian National Authority", then we can simply redirect the state article to the authority article. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:40, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I have no objection to that at all. Perhaps you could ask them to post their answers on the article talk page so that the record of the consensus is easy to find? I'll copy this discussion there now.—S Marshall T/C 19:44, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

 Done. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

• To clarify my position: my vote was to (1) as a purely technical step, redirect the spinoff article to the existing parent article, at whatever current location (i.e. currently Coat of arms of the Palestinian National Authority), because that is the technically clean way of cleaning up the content fork; (2) discuss any follow-up questions under the perspective of a possible move request, i.e. under the premise that it will remain a single unified article but may find some more appropriate location. Looking back, I don't see why, procedurally, the AfD couldn't have closed as an explicit "consensus to redirect". S Marshall said he recognized there was consensus for redirecting in principle, but possibly no "consensus on what the redirect target should be". But I don't see a problem here: if somebody votes "redirect" in an AfD like this, the implication is always, automatically, redirect to the parent article. Where else? There were no alternatives to this parent article mentioned. The parent article is currently where it is, for better or worse, so that is where the redirect goes, for now. Whether the parent article should eventually be at this or some other location, that, indeed, is beyond the purview of the AfD. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

• I now see that I misunderstood you. Sorry for any confusion.—S Marshall T/C 12:02, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
  • No prob. Given this clarification, would you agree that turning it into a redirect would now be a reasonable consequence of the AfD? Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:40, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

• That certainly seems to be the consensus.—S Marshall T/C 00:42, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

• I was asked to clarify my "redirect" vote - it referred to "Coat of arms of PNA", but I see it's already redirected now. Japinderum (talk) 09:02, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

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