Talk:Classic 100 Music of France

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French titles ... sometimes

We seem to be using French titles in a number of cases where our articles have English titles:

• Symphonic Variations (Franck) --> Variations symphoniques
• Requiem (Berlioz) --> Grande messe des morts
• Orpheus in the Underworld --> Orphée aux enfers
• Samson and Delilah (opera) --> Samson et Dalila
• The Tales of Hoffmann --> Les contes d’Hoffmann
• The Carnival of the Animals --> Le carnaval des animaux.

Is there a particular reason for this? And why only in some cases? To be consistent, I'd expect to see Sonate pour violon et piano where we have Violin Sonata in A major (Franck). And so on.

But I'm not actually recommending we do that. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 06:30, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

The French version has been used when the title is either a song (in double quotes) or it needs to be italicised (which is why Franck's Violin Sonata remained in English—as per the destination article). I guess the strategy of using French titles evolved simply because this is a "Music of France" countdown, and it probably isn't a huge surprise to the reader to see French. I don't particularly care either way, and if the consensus here is to use English titles, then it could be changed fairly quickly. I did think that a "Translation" column could be added—which would preserve the French-feel of the article, and provide assistance to the English readers. In most cases, the French is fairly recognisable (especially to a reader with some musical experience), so another strategy could be to provide a translation in the difficult cases (e.g. appending Mother Goose after Ma mère l'oye) GFHandel ♬  20:36, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Evolved? "Gee, that was quick" (a little-known quote by Charles Darwin).  :)

More seriously, there's a lot of inconsistency between different articles, on matters such as title languages and many other issues. Were that not the case, I'd press to have us always use whatever title the destination article has. But as it is, there's little value in spending any energy doing that.

I guess my personal preference is for always using an English title where one is well-established. This is, after all, English Wikipedia. We do write about many subjects that have little or nothing to do with England or the English language, but it's not our custom to make those articles have a particularly Uruguayan feel, or Mongolian feel, or Dutch feel or whatever. But I know that when it comes to music articles, there's a strong tendency to talk about Der Ring des Nibelungen and Études symphoniques etc, rather than the English equivalents thereof. I do what I can to counteract that. I don't go so far as to insist on English versions of La bohème or La traviata or Pagliacci. But anglophones generally do talk about The Tales of Hoffmann, and not Les contes d'Hoffmann, so that's one of the ones I'd change. And they do talk about "The Carnival of the Animals" and not "Le carnaval des animaux". And The Pearl Fishers. And so on. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 00:45, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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