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Spelling edit
Isn't it clambake, not clam bake?
- For funny, you would be hard pressed to find a better Wikipedia example than this article. For example; Several stones are necessary for a clambake and cannonballs are sometimes used? - Maybe in 1830 cannonballs were used! Stones help distribute heat evenly but are not necessary because you've dug a hole and are heating a volume of earth that bakes your seafood. And everyone has a favorite seafood, but clams are not a critical component of a clambake. 76.193.157.221 (talk) 14:19, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Requested move 24 June 2018 edit
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: Move to clambake. Cúchullain t/c 13:51, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
New England clam bake → Clam bake – The title is more concise. 2601:183:101:58D0:3545:2E73:437A:CAC9 (talk) 14:59, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:38, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- @2601:183:101:58D0:3545:2E73:437A:CAC9 and SMcCandlish: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:38, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose at least for now. In the article's present state it should stay put, and Clam bake should be a disambiguation page. Dictionaries do not associate the term with New England in particular. Even as a dish rather than a party to cook seafood at the beach (the primary meaning), a quick Googling of
"clam bake" OR clambake recipe -"New England"confirms California and other traditions. It also has a metaphoric meaning of "a large gathering", especially a political rally. "Clam[-]bake" has a long-term but narrow Internet slang meaning of "an anti-Scientology action/activity/forum/exposé" ("Clam" is a pejorative for "Scientologist") [1]; there's even a cult-busting organization named Operation Clambake. It's also a more widespread slang term for a party or other gathering consisting mostly of women/girls (same as "tacofest", and opposite of "sausage party"/"sausagefest"). Also a principally US West Coast variant term for hotboxing. So, a disambiguation page should probably live at Clam bake, with Clambake and Clam-bake redirecting to it. The New England clam bake in particular isn't the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. An article that was broader, about the food-and-outdoor-party tradition, would be. But the content at the article now isn't that general. If it were broadened, I'd support the move, but we'd still need Clam bake (disambiguation) and redirects to it. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 18:21, 24 June 2018 (UTC) - Support per WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME, as they are usually just referred to as "clam bakes". "Clam bake" already redirects here, and the article is written pretty generally about clam bakes anyway, it's not just about clam bakes that happen in New England. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:06, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- You don't appear to have addressed a single rationale against the move. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 18:22, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- Wikipedia article naming policy clearly supports this move. Your objection to the move was rambling and incoherent, so I saw no need to attempt to specifically address any of your points. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:47, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- You don't appear to have addressed a single rationale against the move. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 18:22, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose. More concise by losing the point. Only the New England clam bake has hundreds or arguably thousands of years of tradition, and generic clam bakes derive from it. Searching "history of the new england clam bake" reveals a great many references to a long tradition of specifically "New England" clam bakes. The "New England clam bake" may be the most famous clam bake tradition, but that doesn't mean clam bake should redirect here. Few care about old redirects, and they are very poor arguments for primary topics. This article needs more coverage of the origin and tradition. Clam bake recipes can go elsewhere. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:30, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support, but move to clambake per Google Ngram showing that spelling is prevalent, and to match with the existing clambake (disambiguation) page. Also noted that as of right now, both references for this article use "clambake". The article is general enough to function as a way to cover any clambakes, not just "New England", and is certainly the primary topic as it is the namesake of the other uses. -- Netoholic @ 04:23, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- Agree "clambake", one word. I find a lot of websites to indicate that the thing is a special tradition of New England. In every case, it is a "clambake" and not a "clam bake". In one case there is also a "lobster bake" (two words), which tells me that there is something special about the clambake that is not shared with other similar seafood preparations.
- The sources:
- https://www.thespruceeats.com/easy-traditional-clambake-1665701
- http://dish.allrecipes.com/new-england-clambake/
- https://www.csmonitor.com/1984/0808/080812.html
- https://rentals.liladelman.com/traditional-new-england-clambake
- http://www.maine-lylobster.com/2015/07/the-history-of-the-clambake.html
- http://marcussamuelsson.com/posts/food-stories-2/history-of-the-new-england-clambake
- http://captainjohns.com/food/lobster-clambake/
- If moved, the new article should make prominent mention of the traditional New England clambake.
- --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:46, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support but move to clambake and displace the Presley film In ictu oculi (talk) 07:44, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- Move to clambake over redirect (I just moved the film article per another RM). Andrewa (talk) 02:36, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Is Cleveland Clambake Tradition Really from Rockefeller? edit
The current article says with two sources that the clambake was brought to Cleveland by John D. Rockefeller, which is a nice story. One of those sources is a 2012 article[1] in Cleveland's oldest newspaper, the Plain Dealer . A 2014 article[2] in the same paper does not mention the Rockefeller connection and talks about how Northeast Ohio was settled (once owned, in fact) by people from Connecticut (some Revolutionary War veterans) whose "seaside taste for clams just moved inland."
How should the Wiipedia article reflect the lack of clarity? Or, I'll say it, does it matter? HighAtop94 (talk) 15:52, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
References
- ^ Crea, Joe (18 September 2012). "Clambake season: Northeast Ohio's favorite fall feast has its traditions and twists". The Plain Dealer. Retrieved 6 May 2019.
- ^ Snook, Debbi (26 September 2014). "Why Cleveland is a fall clambake capital -- history on a half-shell". The Plain Dealer. Retrieved 6 May 2019.
"New England" Clambake? edit
I grew up with these, in and around upstate New York, and also attended many clambakes in New Jersey and Delaware. Never heard it called a "New England Clambake" until this article. Clambakes were common picnic events on beaches throughout the northeast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 (talk) 00:14, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
image edit
I'm wondering if this image might be better. It's much brighter. Valereee (talk) 21:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
