Talk:Clássico Mineiro

Latest comment: 9 years ago by 189.61.16.215 in topic Examples of the partiality

Impartiality edit

Impartiality is needed here. Before I edited it, only the largest rout of Atlético (and a very old one at that, from 1927) was mentioned. The largest rout of Cruzeiro, that of 6x1 over Atlético in 2011 should be placed, so as for the article to remain neutral.

Besides, a single poll showing Atlético ahead of Cruzeiro was selected, when all other polls, including that of Datafolha, the most serious poll institute in Brazil, from 2014, was not mentioned.189.61.16.215 (talk) 19:51, 28 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

A very cheap tactic to select the only poll where they come ahead, and even then slightly. All the polls, I repeat all the polls but that which was selected to be in the article show Cruzeiro ahead of Atlético. Just a few examples below. Furthermore, in 1998 Cruzeiro beat Atlético by 5x1, in 2008 5x0, in 2009 5x0 and in 2011 by 6x1. So Cruzeiro has been having routs in the recent times, whereas the only rout mentioned, and in the detail is one from 1927.

Examples of the partiality edit

A 2014 poll by Datafolha (http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/esporte/2014/08/1494430-um-em-cada-tres-torce-para-flamengo-ou-corinthians-aponta-datafolha.shtml):

Pos. Clube Torcida (%) Torcida (numericamente)
  Flamengo 18% 36.475.167
  Corinthians 14% 28.369.574
  São Paulo 8% 16.211.185
  Palmeiras 6% 12.158.389
  Vasco 5% 10.131.991
  Grêmio 4% 8.105.592
  Cruzeiro 3% 6.079.194
  Santos 3% 6.079.194
  Internacional 3% 6.079.194
10º   Atlético Mineiro 2% 4.052.796
  Botafogo 2% 4.052.796
  Fluminense 2% 4.052.796
13º   Bahia 1% 2.026.398
  Vitória 1% 2.026.398
15º   Portuguesa 1%(**) (Q)2.026.398
  Sport 1%(**) (Q)2.026.398
  • Margem de erro de 2,0 p.p.

(**) Não atingiu 1% exato (Q) Quase

A 2012 poll by Datafolha (http://globoesporte.globo.com/futebol/noticia/2012/12/com-dados-exatos-fla-bate-timao-e-flu-supera-facil-lusa-em-pesquisa.html):

Pos. Clube Torcida
  Flamengo 16,27%
  Corinthians 15,56%
  São Paulo 8,77%
  Palmeiras 6,77%
  Vasco 4,57%
  Grêmio 4,10%
  Cruzeiro 3,24%
  Santos 2,94%
  Internacional 2,04%
10º   Atlético Mineiro 1,88%
11º   Botafogo 1,53%
12º   Fluminense 1,46%
13º   Bahia 1,18%
14º   Vitória 1,11%
15º   Portuguesa 0,51%
Outros 5%
Nenhum 23%
  • Margem de erro de 2 p.p.

A 2014 poll by Datascript (http://oglobo.globo.com/esportes/rmp/posts/2014/08/24/a-voz-do-torcedor-546990.asp ):

Pos. Clube Torcida (%) Torcida (numericamente)
  Flamengo 18,1% 36.386.921
  Corinthians 14,5% 29.149.743
  São Paulo 8,2% 16.484.582
  Palmeiras 5,8% 11.659.897
  Vasco 4,8% 9.649.570
  Grêmio 3,8% 7.639.243
  Cruzeiro 3,6% 7.237.177
  Santos 3,0% 6.030.981
  Atlético Mineiro 2,9% 5.829.948
10º   Internacional 2,6% 5.226.850
11º   Fluminense 1,8% 3.618.588
12º   Botafogo 1,7% 3.417.556
  • Margem de erro não divulgada

A 2013 poll by Paraná pesquisas: http://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.infografiaepoca.com.br/siteEpoca/FTP/812/Nacional_TorcidasdeFutebol_Dez13.pdf

Pos. Clube Torcida
  Flamengo 15,95%
  Corinthians 13,75%
  São Paulo 7,86%
  Palmeiras 5,57%
  Vasco 4,46%
  Cruzeiro 4,16%
  Grêmio 3,34%
  Santos 3,14%
  Internacional 2,31%
10º   Atlético Mineiro 2,24%
11º   Sport 1,89%
12º   Botafogo 1,79%
13º   Bahia 1,73%
14º   Fluminense 1,59%
15º   Santa Cruz 0,74%
  Vitória 0,74%
17º   Atlético Paranaense 0,58%
18º   Náutico 0,45%
19º   Coritiba 0,41%
20º   Goiás 0,36%
21º   Ceará 0,33%
22º   Paysandu 0,31%
Outros 1,89%
Nenhum 21,31%
Não sabe 3,12%