Talk:Ciudad del Saber

violation of copyright

The City of Knowledge is a great concept and project in Panama that should be supported by being listed in Wikipedia. They don't have a marketing department or even people that know about search engines inclusion.

The City of Knowledge also is a non-profit organization, not a commercial entity.

This page was created to quickly add content and information on the City of Knowledge so more people, in particular academic organizations in the US will learn about the City of Knowledge and its beautiful Clayton campus next to the Panama Canal.

In fact, Panama at its people should be supported by getting more free publicity about its beauty, natural and cultural diversity and high living standards.

I hope you will leave this information available to the public to support the City of Knowledge.

It's still a violation of copyright. If you can get the author to authorize the use, I'll withdraw my request to delete. --Nlu 03:46, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

No problem. I'll contact them tomorrow. How do you want me to show approval?

To be honest, I am not sure what the Wikipedia community generally considers confirmation of authorization. Perhaps copy and paste an e-mail from them on the talk page? --Nlu 03:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

authorization

Nlu and Phil,

If I would only know how to contact you. It's not like you have e-mail listed or so. I re-wrote it, condensed it, added more useful links (and will add more,, I hope) So, I'll try this way to communicate with you guys, hoping I'm not violating another rule.

I'm a newbie at this but I don't see how helping a Panamaniran state institution, obviously without any self interest, deserves such a crack down. Since there's no simple way to get authorizaton, why don't you ask them yourselves if they object?

But how can you even assume they object against being listed on a site that's ranked so high? I thought Wikipedia was about providing information but I guess unless , well, I really have no clue what the problem is.

You know, do whatever you want to do up there at the "Ethics" Headquarters. If you believe this totally neutral, impartial, informative article must be banned you probably also think the USA is the leader of the free world, defending the poor and oppressed world wide and spreading freedom. We already invaded Panama once, why not screw it again, right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scott ingels (talk • contribs) .

This is uncalled for, Scott. You know how to contact us -- by the talk pages. If you wish to contact by e-mail, there are also links to get to my e-mail address. (I assume that Phil's e-mail is also available from his User page.)

Copyright laws exist for a reason; it's so that people don't "assume" that permission is given. In this case, without an explicit authorization, Wikipedia is already in violation of the copyright laws. If you're going to act like this, I am no longer going to assume good faith. --Nlu 01:13, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Nlu, Maybe I went a little bit overboard but, I just read your guidelines on how to treat newbies and I think you want to far initially. Let's see:

- I take an article from the City of Knowlege and basically copy it onto Wikipedia. Blatant copyright violation? Well. A violation assumes harm is done. I'm actually trying to give them publicity.

So, you inform me. Great. Before I can react, Phil simply wipes out the page altogether, without contact me (as the newbie policy requires). And for your info, just today I learned about your Talk page. I DID go to your personal pages and did NOT see your e-mail.

So when I saw an empty page, I summarized the story and added some links, assuming that would add even more value.

And how this. Well again, I don't know. I give up. Do whatever you think is apppropiate. I've lived many years in Costa Rica and Panama. I learned about Wikipedia only recently and thought it would be a marvellous tool to inform visitors about these two beautiful countries and add even more to the already rich resources.

But boy, did I get burned.

Bye bye guys

Scott Scott ingels 01:24, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Good faith

Nlu, Phil,

I just checked the Good Faith link you provided.

Now I feel even better although disappointed. My article was totally good faith. A copy yes; bad intentions: no.

Nlu, you gave me advice, thank you. Phil just killed it and now somebody tries to kill it again.

Amazing.

commercial provider

"A commercial content provider is someone engaged in directly making money off the content. "

If you'd read the content, you'd notice it's a non-profit foundation, Panamanian that totally depends on donations and getting organizations to affiliate so they get some rental income.

The above assertion is preposterous.

Scott ingels 01:45, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

The template probably didn't put things all that well, but copyright laws are copyright laws, regardless of whether it is done for money or not. I still hope that you can provide proof of authorization. If so, I'd be the first person to be asking for the content to be restored. --Nlu 05:08, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

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