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Incorrect countries included

Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia are not considered countries of the Middle East and should be removed from the article. TonyElGhazal (talk) 18:43, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

References

Some people are ignorant of What The Middle East is, but let me Educate you.

The Middle East is not Synonymous with Western Asia nor is it a continent. The Middle East is a transcontinental region that extends to multiple continents and begins with and includes Egypt an AfroAsian country via the Sinai peninsula, Turkey a Eurasian country via the Istanbul bridge, and it ends eastwards with Iran. Let me further Educate people here... The Middle East was originally a division conducted by Medieval Arab Historians and geographers such as Ibn Khaldun and the main criteria was to geographically divide the Arab world based on the cultural, political and historical differences between the Western Berber Maghreb region(Libya, Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco) from the Eastern Mashriq part of the Arab world(Egypt, Levant, Arabian Peninsula and Iraq) and when the Europeans came along in the 19th century, they created the newer terms for the same region(Middle East/Near East/the Orient) and towards the 19th and 20th century they have added the non Arab countries(Cyprus, Turkey, Israel, and Iran) . The word “Mashriq” means “where the sun rises” in Arabic and it refers to the Eastern part of the Arab world while the word “Maghreb” means “where the Sun sets”, referring to the western part of the Arab world, but now people Just Use “North Africa” which confuses many people about Egypt due to the incorrect replacement of the term “Maghreb” to “North Africa”. For example, Egypt is not a Maghreb country, it is a Middle Eastern country but it is also a North African country. This is where the problem arises, is that people confuse a geopolitical region like the Maghreb with simply the Northern upper direction of Africa(North Africa). This problem is due to the incorrect usage of these terms and of the context they are being used in and this is why today the term “North Africa” no longer simply means the top Northern part of Africa, but now it only refers to the Maghreb Berber nations. When talking about regions, CONTEXT is very important and this paragraph proves it "The most commonly accepted definition of North Africa includes Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Sudan, the 6 countries that shape the top North of the African continent. Meanwhile, “North Africa", particularly when used in the term North Africa and the Middle East, often refers only to the countries of the Maghreb and Libya. Egypt, being also part of the Middle East, is often considered separately, due to being both North African and Middle Eastern at the same time.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East Educate yourselves please

-a Brother from the region

The Middle East encompasses countries primarily in West Asia and one mostly in North Africa, Egypt to be exact. Sure, some countries like Turkey also claim to be partly in "Europe" and Egypt also has a small part in Western Asia, but the vast majority of the countries included are still in Western Asia. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 22:53, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Please change title from "Cinema of the Middle East", to "Cinema of West Asia"

The term "the Middle East" is racist. It was created by the British, and the US uses the term for geopolitics. Other English speaking countries like Australia, Canada, and New Zealand are slowly changing it back to using the correct geographical name of West Asia. The Middle East is not a continent but a region referring to mainly the Arab world with racist undertones. The US now wants to include Pakistan part of the Middle East since they're Muslim with geopolitical ties too. But any country that's mainly Islamic and not problematic towards the UK and USA, are not included in "The Middle East". Like Kazakistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and so on. West Asia is the part of Asia with extremely rich culture and religion. West Asia is the correct term for the countries in West Asia. Please stop using the political term and use the correct geography term instead.

Peace! <3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.92.239 (talk) 07:23, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree to be honest. Though I'm not sure if a solid case/consensus can be reached to fully change the name of the page. The term still sees usage, at least in the Western world. Though how often the term is used is something I cannot answer. Geographically, EDIT: the vast of majority of Egypt is in Africa (though a small part is in West Asia), and the only country in the Middle East not primarily in Asia/Western Asia. If other regions of Asia can have pages dedicated to them, like East Asian cinema, South Asian cinema, and Southeast Asian cinema then I don't see why "West Asian cinema" can't be a standalone page. As you mentioned, outside of the United States, countries like Canada do use the term West Asian as well. For my own reasons, I think its absurd that countries like the U.S only considers part of Asia to be "Asian" (East/South/Southeast) but that's a discussion for another talk page. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

"Egypt is in Africa and part of North Africa, and the only country in the Middle East not part of Asia/Western Asia." Wrong, Egypt is a transcontinental country. It controls the Sinai Peninsula, which is part of Western Asia. Dimadick (talk) 01:08, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Dimadick - Okay, I see I was wrong. Regardless, the vast majority of the country is still in Africa and its the only country considered part of the "Middle East" not primarily in Asia (Turkey, the other transcontinental continent to my knowledge, is mostly in Asia and a small part in Europe). Clear Looking Glass (talk) 18:49, 28 February 2021 (UTC)