Talk:Chowder (TV series)/Archive 3

Food link

Should we link to the food there named after? Also who is Georgialina? Smurai Cerberus 20:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• No, that's been tried before. Also, I assume you mean Gorgonzola, the green rat with a candle on his head? I've never heard of Georgialina. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!)} 20:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Which brings up a point, Gorgy has had some semi-irregular appearances now (four, I think?)

But as for the food issue, yea, it's been done, and it doesn't work. The links are basically out of context for the article. Yngvarr (t) (c) 20:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Georgi...? Georiginigan...? Wait, I'll get it.... Georgoionononoalinina? Feh, can't do it. I feel ol' green and spiky should return to the character list, four appearances seems good enough for a secondary character. Who wants to go dig his short bio from the history dumpster? treelo _radda 20:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Section break

I've added Gorgonzola back, but if there's dissension about it, I'm not overly attached. But it brings up YAP (yet another point) we might want to discuss: how many appearances would make a character "regular" enough to warrant inclusion? Several other shows have consensus for things like three appearances, or other such criteria. That's overly simplistic, but you know what I mean (episode dialogue, credited voice actor). Yngvarr (t) (c) 20:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

We (or I, as I haven't committed it anyplace) have a WP:TOON base guideline for notability forged during the whole MGPAM minor character list farrago which basically states that for a recurring primary, at least 3 appearances with a major speaking role and a role which affects the plot of an episode significantly get recurring primary status (which'd exclude characters like Chestnut and Kiwi from getting a mention). As guidelines, they're just guides and if there's a chance that it might be an issue then gain a consensus on it. treelo _radda 22:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with that. Gorgy (funny how I'm not the only one who calls him that!) has appeared in multiple episodes, and his role in the last ep wasn't trivial by any means, so he can stay. Kiwi and Chestnut are just cameos that don't affect the episodes. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!)} 23:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Farrago. Hmph. Had to look that up. We (pointing at Treelo) have been around this issue before, as Treelo's pointed out, and while I think we all can implicity agree on these "guidelines", I mainly wanted an explicit discussion, with an audit trail, so arguments for/against consensus can be diff'ed. Ten Ton Farfal is new to the WP:TOON project, so may not be aware of the mind-numbing history behind these kind of things (altho I'm sure other projects and interest areas have similar issues). Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

*grins* Hehe. This issue is one which spans back for some time, even getting to ArbCom levels on a more Wiki-wide scale. it is the sort of thing that'll task your writing abilities and I really think animated series like Chowder and others really do take a massive hit in cruft:content ratios in comparison to other areas, especially Numnum's (TPF's) core area of music. Only got to see what regularly goes into Flapjack and Skunk Fu! to see what kind of stuff this attracts. Call the guidelines as a bypass from some if not most of the explicit discussion and audit trails as it's all bureucracy when a simple "this needs to happen, guidelines state this so do you agree?" will work (people actually responding required). For me, it's wanting to protect against cruftrot as it's one heckuva job to cut out and repair should you decide to go all fundamental inclusionist or too far down the WikiSloth route on articles and keep any old crap which goes in through sheer apathy or hubris.

In all, we know who should be in right now, who shouldn't be and if they should be in the future pending a little jabbering between others like we're doing now. All hail to the guidelines, they may not be WP:HAMMER (or WP:FARFEL, I'm liking Farfel) or even complete but they'll do. treelo _radda 00:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Should it perhaps be mentioned under Gorgonzola's description that he is apprenticed under Stilton[1]? Or would that information be considered irrelevant at this time?Burple Nurples (talk) 08:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why not. All we know is that Gorgy is apprenticed under Stilton, so I see no harm by adding such a phrase. Let's see if anyone else has an opinion. Yngvarr (t) (c) 09:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

No big deal to me, just make sure to cite it to the episode it was mentioned in. Just be careful, don't want to open up a whole can of crap because you can use episodes as primary sources. treelo _radda 10:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Make the chowder page avalible to edit again

There's something I want to add to the chowder page, and it is that chowder weighs 700 pounds, as revealed by gorgonzola in"The Apprentice Games".Mrobamakid (talk) 00:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

If the article is semi-protected preventing you from editing then you did the right thing by telling us what you want added as others can add it for you until you become autoconfirmed. This little thing though, might not be able to add it as it could be a one-shot joke which only counts for that episode alone. treelo _radda 00:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The first discussion was left unresolved: Chowder's species?

Resolved

 – Disagreeing with the fact won't change those facts. Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

It has been clearly stated through many of the episodes that Chowder is in fact a kitten (cat). In various episodes Chowder has been called a "kitten," a "cat like thing," and even "bunny like." The most important thing though is that he is directly called a kitten. Like the other apprentices he is obviously an animal of some kind, NOT A CHILD. Panini is a rabbit, also NOT A CHILD. Gorgonzola is a rat or mouse, hard to tell but also, NOT A CHILD. I believe that the wiki page needs to be updated for each character to be distinctly identified as their appropriate animal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maclikescheeze (talk • contribs) 21:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

That's wrong on a few points. Lesse, it's never been stated Chowder's a cat or kitten anymore than it's been stated that Panini is a rabbit or cat (more people say cat, funny). In truth, the creator explained what their species is a composite of, unless of course you're saying he's wrong about his own ideas. Gorgy, we're to assume he's either a rat or mouse but don't know for sure and would rather not second guess based on a hunch or assumption. Finally, they are children as they aren't adults, can't be any clearer on that. treelo _radda 21:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The discussion was resolved. If you don't agree with what Greenblatt says, bringing it up again isn't really going to change that. And what we know is what Greenblatt says. Post on his blog and ask him. As far as I care, he's being deliberately ambiguous. Because, when you come down to it, what's with the over-analysis of a fantasy cartoon? There's no secret message to decode. Yngvarr (t) (c) 21:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Miscellany

I actually noticed that in the episode "Brain Grub" that the cooking utensil described by Chowder; a "whiskernoongen" is somewhat a cross between a whisk and a cork unscrewer. Also in that same episode that when Mung Daal metioned that the characters on the show had changed, Ms. Endive and Panini were seen singing the line "I'm leaving on a snail plane". That is almost a direct reference to the song "I'm leaving on a Jet Plane" by Peter, Paul and Mary —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikicrazy17 (talk • contribs) 00:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

• That's just trivia though. There are millions of such things in Chowder, we can't possibly list them all. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 01:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Layout issue

Something's gone screwball with the layout around the inline images, might need a fix. treelo _radda 17:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Chowder trivia

On Roblox.com a Chowder game is fairly poupular Chowder has a cult following do its intelligent humor which appeals to children and adults alike Chowder is however slightly criticized because of the title characters gluttony —Preceding unsigned comment added by MontyTheMonkey (talk • contribs) 20:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

• That's not really relevant to the article. It's just trivia. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 20:46, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps this trivia could be worked into the article, without digressing so much that it doesn't fit in with the rest of the article.Invader Mik (talk) 23:21, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Nah, it's not trivia but baseless guesswork on a thoroughly non-notable site with nothing to prove it, it doesn't have a place in the article. treelo _radda 23:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

NOT Your boyfriend!

you know how you have some of the phrases from tv shows redirecting to those tv shows well i was thinking could you make the phrase "I'm not your boyfrend!" or "Not Your Boyfriend" redirect to chowder. cos also i'm making a user box that says this user is "NOT YOUR BOYFRIEND!"

Timelordlilytennant (talk) 01:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

So take some of the oft repeated phrases on Chowder and redirect them here on the off chance someone will type in just that? I like that to some extent, it's fairly improbable that people would search for "I'm not your boyfriend" or "num-nums" to get here but redirects are cheap so it's not so bad. If you want to do it, knock yourself out. treelo _radda 10:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Meh from me. If you think the phrase is popular enough to warrant a redirect, go for it. Of course, for a userbox, you could just use a piped link to accomplish the same thing. Yngvarr (t) (c) 11:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

pattern

i think the patterns used in many of the characters' clothing is an interesting technique worth talking more about. the discussion in this article mentions it as "unique" and refers to a couple anime series that also make use of the technique. however, I seem to recall many earlier American cartoons that have used this technique before, and I'm sure there's a name and even a wikipedia article about it but I don't know how to find more information. I'm just saying the paragraph about it in this article needs work but I don't know where to find the info for it. -Jaardon (talk) 23:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

One of the problems will be finding reliable sources. The reason the section is so small is we only have the creator, Greenblatt, to go by. He's talked a little about it, but what's there is pretty much the extent of his own discussion on the matter. Yngvarr (t) (c) 00:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

The textures are stationary on the screen. So when a figure moves left, the texture on the clothing appears to be moving right. It is visually interesting, but gives me a headache. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.178.202 (talk) 02:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

The same technique was used in the other CN cartoon, Ed, Edd, and Eddy. I would add it, but the article is locked. 98.148.16.22 (talk)

Can you provide a citation for that? We have a cite from Greenblatt about the patterns. Yngvarr (t) (c) 23:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty sure I remember that the quiz show announcer in the 1963 Looney Tune cartoon, The Million Hare, was an example of a similar technique. The pattern of his suit and jacket was striped, but when he moved on screen (such as bending over to talk to Bugs and Daffy), the pattern stayed in its original place. But, I agree finding citations and sources will be tough. I searched the net for a bit, but gave up trying to find out how to document it.Zhafnium (talk) 21:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I just watched The Million Hare and discovered that it wasn't the cartoon I was thinking of. I know there is a Looney Tunes cartoon that uses this pattern technique at least once, but I haven't found it yet.Zhafnium (talk) 21:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Foods

We should make a page with chowder foods. I have enough to start the page: Blorm root, fizzy river fruit juice, thrice cream, roller grapes, sing beans, powdered flarts, grapples (real food, ironically), mood fruit, floss berries, frapple berries, fleggy tables, grubble gum, grenapes, jingle berries, bombnegranits, scumquats, slausage, flomato, clamomeal stewflay, free range twelve legged cave frog, burple nurples, meanie cream cakes, sell itself berries, bumbleberries, blutter, flushrooms, clabbage cobbler, cinimini, punch munch, brain grub, tangy tangeroos, wheelie berries, fungus oil, creamed berry sauce, and finger dingies. And somehow, you should include the whiskernoogin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.66.251.7 (talk) 21:02, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so, this isn't a fansite. treelo _radda 21:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a list of the food parodies could be added to the page instead of starting an entirely different page. Invader Mik (talk) 23:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Not likely, how does that help the article in some way that isn't just content for the sake of content? treelo _radda 23:20, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Right, considering that there are a few examples already on the page, it probably would be overkill to include the others.Invader Mik (talk) 23:26, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Cancelled

Isn't this show officially cancelled? Why does it still say it runs to the present? Cannonbolt2 (talk) 12:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll answer this as it bares partially on the content and not just some open-ended question regarding the show. Not officially no, Cartoon Network have never cancelled a show or at least called a show cancelled even if for all intents and purposes it is. Chowder is near cancelled or is as good as cancelled as far as its creator is concerned and has one more season (which is still in production) to run through should it get aired. The article still states it as running to the present because it is still running in the present and we have no idea when the final airdate will be. Until such time we know when the final episode will air, it'll be considered an on-going series. treelo _radda 13:27, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

NOT CANCLED!!! The shows still on, new episodes air on Mondays. --Hi, I'm a Scooby-pedian! (talk) 21:12, 6 April 2010 (UTC)Hello, I'm a Wikipedian!

The ad claiming there are new episodes on Mondays was only referring to the first week of Cartoon Network's new Monday night block, when "The Toots!" aired. However, the true final episode (mentioned by Mr. Greenblatt in his blog as a "timeskip") has still yet to air. 71.235.185.73 (talk) 21:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

According to Greenblatt's blog http://nerdarmada.blogspot.com/2010/08/chowder-finale.html , the final episode (aka the "timeskip") airs on August 7th, 2010 at 7:30pm. This will be the last show that the creator has been involved with. If Cartoon Network decides to restart the show, which they could do since they own it, it would likely be without Greenblatt's creative direction or involvement.Zhafnium (talk) 07:54, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

When will CN revive Chowder? It think Chowder fans would want the show back by popular demand, then CN will revive it. I think Dexter's Laboratory went through the same experience. If anyone agrees, let me know.

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Chowder (TV series)/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

It's not that bad, the article could expanded any lead. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions) 09:57, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Last edited at 09:57, 25 July 2011 (UTC). Substituted at 20:19, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Chowder DVD

A two volume DVD set was released with some episodes of Chowder:

Volume 1: - The Froggy Apple Crumple Thumpkin / Chowder's Girlfriend - Grubble Gum / The Cinnamini Monster - Certifrycation Class / The Sing Beans - Majhongg Night / Stinky Love - The Thrice Cream Man / The Flibber-Flabber Diet

Volume2: - The Wrong Address/The Wrong Customer - The Burple Nurple Stand/Shnitzel Make A Deposit - Gazpatcho Stands Up/A Taste Of Marzipan - The Puckerberry Overlords/The Elemelons - Sniffleball/Mung On The Rocks

Why was this not mentioned in the page? Please add it someone. I don't know enough information about it. But the above is true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.252.147.9 (talk) 03:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Filling the article with a zillion Thai DVD release links to a retailer would be inappropriate, but this is a fine place for that:

[2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.194.106.54 (talk) 21:51, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Conflicting data of DVD release

Under "Episodes", it lists that the Season 3 Region 1 DVD was released on May 9, 2013.

However further down under "DVD releases" it does not list a Season 3 DVD release at all.

Can anyone verify which information is correct and make the appropriate changes? Thank you. 71.255.41.153 (talk) 08:52, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Cancellation - JoesphBarbaro

With regard to this edit by JoesphBarbaro, who queried in his edit summary, "If the series was "cancelled", it would have never even been given a finale. Am I wrong? Yes, I think you are wrong. Some members of the WikiProject Television community equate "cancellation" to pulling the plug on a series without notice mid-season. Chowder's S1 and S2 were 20 episodes. S3 was 9. That would be consistent with cancellation. Regardless, if you disagree with Greenblatt, that's your prerogative, but it doesn't make his perspective, as a show creator, subject to your opinion or understanding, or even subject to your interpretation of "cancellation". If a show creator got news that the plug was being pulled on his series, he would absolutely consider that a cancellation, because the entire production would be ended, or cancelled. Depending on how much time he had been given by the network, he might reasonably have come up with a way to try to wrap up loose ends. Such a "finale" doesn't imply that the series was only intended for 2 1/2 seasons. Remove the content because you personally disagree with it, elevates your own personal bias and understanding, instead of relying on the opinions of those involved in the series, like this show creator was. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:22, 2 August 2015 (UTC)