Talk:Choregos

Page rename?

It appears that in the references and other scholarly literature, in dictionaries, and on Google, that the spellings Choregus and Choragus are considerably more popular in English than Choregos. I suggest that we rename the page, leaving Choregos as an alternative spelling and as a redirect. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:04, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

I concur. The three best-known English dictionaries published in Britain (Oxford, Chambers and Collins) all favour Choregus/choragus. – Tim riley (talk) 19:37, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

I also agree, but only if the rename is to choragus (per OED, EB2013, Merriam-Webster Collegiate, and 80,000 Google hits, which is almost 4 times choregus at 22,300). --71.163.153.146 (talk) 17:51, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm happy to sign up for that. Ssilvers, what say you? Tim riley (talk) 21:03, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

I am more comfortable with choregus, because in The Grand Duke, Gilbert writes "...our clever chorus-master, all but captious criticaster, / Would accept as the choregus of the early Attic stage." So I am used to hearing it sung thus. But I can't argue with statistics, so go ahead and make it so. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:00, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

???!!!. If Gilbert had spelled it one of the other three ways, would it have sounded differently when sung? --71.163.153.146 (talk) 19:59, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't "choragus" sound like chorAHgus? -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:39, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Merriam-Webster doesn't think it would: choragus. --71.163.153.146 (talk) 19:30, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Bear in mind that I studied Latin so long ago that it was still a modern language at the time, but as far as memory serves I concur with Ss about the classical Latin pronunciation. Still, over the centuries the pronunciation of Latin changed (look no further than et cetera, which would have been pronounced et kayterah in classical times). Certainly the OED gives the pronunciation kɒˈreɪɡəs/ for both modern spellings. I'm happy with choragus. Tim riley (talk) 19:34, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

[left] As I said above, feel free to go ahead and rename the article. But when you do so, you should add a pronunciation guide with kɒˈreɪɡəs/ or the pronunciation that Webster's has. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:19, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

There is no rush for this. Perhaps it would be more convenient to leave it till after Kfurano1129's project? I can't imagine any reader objecting. Tim riley (talk) 20:28, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

After reviewing your research, I agree with your proposal to change the choragus. My initial research, which was guided by Brockett's text, had aligned with the current spelling. However, I began to come across a variety of spellings as my research continued, including the wildly different khoregia from Peter Wilson's extensive work on the topic. I agree with your assessment to follow the consensus, and Anglicize the title in accordance with Wikipedia standards. But please feel free to start this process as soon as you are able! I am happy to work with you to make the necessary spelling changes in the body of the article when the change occurs. This whole process has been fascinating from a student perspective. This would help deepen my understanding of this vital Wikipedia process. -- Kfurano1129 (talk) – 17:55, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Related question

If the article is to be renamed Choragus, shouldn't that be the word consistently used in the article body? If so, those changes should be made first: choregos → choragus, choregoi → choragi. etc. Of course, the Greek etymology should remain, as is, in the lead. --71.163.153.146 (talk) 19:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but not until immediately before the move is made. I'm sure that Tim was planning to make those adjustments when he moves the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:34, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

OK. Understood and agreed to. --71.163.153.146 (talk) 19:42, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

WP:LEAD

I have moved substantial, referenced information out of the Lead and into the body of the article, leaving summary information, and I also added summary/overview information introducing the other material in the body of the article, all per WP:LEAD. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:00, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Play

Alexis wrote a play about a female choragus, called "χορηγίς". -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

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