Talk:Childnet

Attention please

Extra patience and careful respect are called for in communicating with user Taddletheteddy (talk · contribs) who created this article.  – OhioStandard (talk) 12:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Sources

At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Childnet I supplied multiple "reliable source" links that I found in a few minutes of going through the organizations press releases and then looking for media sources to support them. Since AfD rolls off to archives pretty quickly, I include those links below, along with a couple others that may be of interest to editors who want to work on improving this article:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/15/scitech/pcanswer/main506198.shtml added to article on 26 August 2010

http://www.independent.com.mt/news2.asp?artid=59791 ( see publication's main page here: http://www.independent.com.mt/ ) ( Malta )

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/11/scitech/pcanswer/main587937.shtml added to article on 26 August 2010

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20071030/local/sharp-rise-in-reports-of-child-abuse-over-internet

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/sci_tech/newsid_2975000/2975271.stm ( BBC News site for kids )

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7012313.stm added to article on 26 August 2010

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/29/scitech/pcanswer/main1449465.shtml ( Tribute and obituary for founder Nigel Williams )

http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/pns/DisplayPN.cgi?pn_id=2007_0168 ( see http://www.education.gov.uk/news/ for context )

http://www.mcit.gov.eg/NewsDetails.aspx?id=31FNoIOgkvY ( Childnet works with govenment of Egypt )

I also mentioned at AfD that I'd looked for offline sources, and that I'd include some here. Note that the following, obtained via the newspaper/magazine/journal database search facility available through my local library, documents just a small number of "hits" returned by that search:

• Tom Morris. (2010, April 22). TWO MINUTES AT HANDS OF BULLY. Evening Post,2. Retrieved August 18, 2010, from ProQuest Newsstand. (Document ID: 2027257781).
• Safety play has serious lesson on web misuse. (2010, January 30). Evening Post,16. Retrieved August 18, 2010, from ProQuest Newsstand. (Document ID: 1951225011).
• Keep your kids safe on the web. (2009, November 29). Sunday Mercury,36. Retrieved August 18, 2010, from ProQuest Newsstand. (Document ID: 1910605181).
• How to ensure our youngsters are safe when using internet. (2009, October 29). Belfast Telegraph,4. Retrieved August 18, 2010, from ProQuest Newsstand. (Document ID: 1888675431).
• Children targeted by firms :[STAFFORDSHIRE Edition]. (2007, December 31). Birmingham Mail,p. 50. Retrieved August 18, 2010, from ProQuest Newsstand. (Document ID: 1405850841).

I said at AfD that I didn't have time to integrate these links and refs into the article myself right now, and I still don't, but I hope this information will be helpful to others. Cheers,  – OhioStandard (talk) 12:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Improving this article

I've got a few people to help me fix the article, and I will be speaking to Lindsy from childnet tomorrow about it. I've also been given permission to use their logo in the article. Taddletheteddy (talk) 14:19, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Glad to hear it, Taddle! I've made a few changes myself, to try to help. I added some footnotes, and removed the "citations needed" message that was up at the top of the article. You'll have your own ideas, of course, but here are some suggestions you might consider for things that still need to be done:

• You mentioned permission to use the Childnet logo, and I think it would be a great idea to add that. It's kind of a complicated process to do that, though, because Wikipedia always has to get official permission from an organization to allow its logo or other images or pictures it owns into an article. Just saying "I have permission" isn't enough; it's not that we don't believe you ( we do, of course! ), it's just that we have all these rules we have to go by to be very careful to avoid copyright problems on Wikipedia. I'd suggest you ask the people at the help desk to help you with the process of getting Childnet's logo into the article. The people there are very friendly, and you'll usually get an answer within ten minutes or so, although sometimes it may take as long as a day. If there's anything you don't understand about what they say, just ask them to be more clear; they won't mind that a bit.

• There are a few small mistakes of grammar in the article; you might like to fix those. Once you've done that I think it would be okay to remove the box at the top of the article that says it needs to be cleaned up to meet Wikipedia standards. You can remove it by looking for the {{Cleanup|date=August 2010}} tag right at the top, when you're editing the article, and just removing that.

• It might help Childnet to say more in the article about how the organization has worked with the governments of different countries, to advise them about what they can do to keep kids safe on the Internet. At the (now-closed) "Articles for Deletion" discussion, I wrote,

  "This organization has advised the United Nations, the governments of Britain, Egypt, Germany, Finland, Malaysia, Jamaica, Malta, and probably some others I didn't see in my quick search, as well. Its educational materials are used around the world."

  There's a link, in the "sources" section, above on this page, to a news article about how Childnet worked with the government of Malta to help them keep their kids safe on the net, and a different article about Childnet working with the government of Egypt. It might be helpful to find more articles like that, and add them to the article. Maybe you'd like to create a section in the article for something like "Childnet's work with govenments", so you'll have a place to discuss that, and to attach footnotes to.

• You might like the people at the help desk for assistance in renaming this article, "Childnet International". ( On Wikipedia the way an article gets renamed is by what we call a "move" process, by the way. The helpdesk volunteers will probably also want to create what we call a "redirect" from the search term "Childnet" to the newly-renamed article "Childnet International". And if you ask really nice, one of the volunteers there might even rename the article for you.)

Oh, a couple of other things: (1) Wikipedia's conflict of interest rules say that members of an organization aren't really supposed to create or edit articles about that organization. But for charitable organizations like Childnet that have been written about in a lot of newspapers and magazines, and on the web, we all kind of ignore those rules, as long as the organization doesn't make the article about them sound like an advertisement. I think you probably already know that, because you did a good job in that way when you created the article - it didn't sound like an advertisement, in other words. (2) Also because of copyright rules, you can't just copy writing from Childnet's web site or from news articles about Childnet. If you want to, though, you can summarize those things, or say the same thing in your own words. It helps, of course, if you also create a footnote to point to the original source of what you're writing about. You can briefly quote such sources, though, if you provide a footnote to the original source.

Also, you should be bold in making changes. Feel free to change anything I added, if you can improve it. Also, you don't have to worry about making any big mistakes. Anything you do can always be changed back, really easily, if necessary, by looking at the "history" of the article. So if you mess anything up when you're trying to change things, it's no big deal; it's always really easy to go back - we call it "reverting" - to what was there before you started. And you can always ask people at the help desk to help you straighten things out, if you make a mistake and are having trouble fixing it yourself.

Thanks again for creating this article. I hope you have fun working on it! Best regards,  – OhioStandard (talk) 19:58, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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