Talk:Chieu Hoi

Move and redirect?

I propose that this article be moved to either Chieu Hoi or Chieu Hoi Program, and be expanded a bit to cover the entire program, making Chieu hoi bag a redirect to it. The article already is more about the program than the bag, and I think we can link it to more articles if it is about the program. - Crockspot 17:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sources that might be useful after a move. - Crockspot 21:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

News

• "Moving Forward". TIME. 1966-09-23. Retrieved 2007-09-30.
• "Allies' Aims & Hopes, In War & Peace". TIME. 1966-11-04. Retrieved 2007-09-30.
• "Charlie, Come Home!". TIME. 1967-02-10. Retrieved 2007-09-30.
• "Coming On Over". TIME. 1967-04-14. Retrieved 2007-09-30.
• "After Crossing Over". TIME. 1968-08-23. Retrieved 2007-09-30.
• Jenkins, Brian Michael (2005-06-26). "Strategy: Political warfare neglected". San Diego Union Tribune. Retrieved 2007-09-30.
• Gerwehr, Scott (2005-08-25). "In Iraq's Prisons, Try a Little Tenderness". New York Times. Retrieved 2007-09-30. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Andrade, Dale (2006-11-03). "Too Soon To Rule Out Amnesty". Washington Post. pp. A21. Retrieved 2007-09-30.

Reports

• Carrier, J.M. (May 1966). Viet Cong Motivation And Morale: The Special Case Of Chieu Hoi (PDF). RAND. RM-4830-2-ISA/ARPA. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Kellen, Konrad (September 1970). Conversations With Enemy Soldiers In Late 1968/Early 1969: A Study Of Motivation And Morale (PDF). RAND. RM-6131-1-ISA/ARPA.
• Koch, J.A. (January 1973). The Chieu Hoi Program in South Vietnam, 1963-1971 (DECLASSIFIED) (PDF). RAND. R-1172-ARPA.
• Long, Austin (2006). On 'Other War': Lessons from Five Decades of RAND Counterinsurgency Research (PDF). RAND. ISBN 0-8330-3926-1.

Moved

I have moved the article. I also added some great sources above and to the article. If anyone wants to dig in and do some rewriting and sourcing, feel free. The article was originally about the Chieu Hoi bag, but about as much as can be said is said, and I would like to see it shift more to cover the entire program, with some examples of other chieu hoi devices. (Already added one that was in another article). - Crockspot 03:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Dubious

"Chiêu hồi" does not literally mean "open arms". It came from the Chinese 招回 ("beckon back"). DHN (talk) 19:35, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

If you read the provided external links, it is obvious that "Chiêu Hồi" does not literally translate to "open arms". (http://www.psywarrior.com/ChieuHoiProgram.html)

"Chiêu" could mean a number of things. In the current context the most appropriate meaning is "Chiêu" as an invitation or "Chiêu An" which means pacification achieved through inviting enemy troops to surrender.

"Hồi" likewise could be translated a number of ways. However, the one constant theme that permeated throughout the Chiêu Hồi leaflet collection (http://www.hill4-11.org/memorabilia/chieu.html) is the exhortation for adversaries to "return", both politically and geographically.

"Chiêu Hồi" is therefore a solicitation to revert or return. Its literal translation should therefore be "Invitation to Return". QED. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.236.183 (talk) 21:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The "Open Arms" translation was for the benefit of US Soldiers, referring to the manner in which we should accept them. DPatrickMulg (talk) 16:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

The literal translation should be provided alongside the more commonly used looser one. 72.200.151.13 (talk) 00:53, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Contradiction

Paragraph 3 says "...in practice this method was of little value..." and talks about how useless the program was. Paragraph 4 says "Overall, the Chieu Hoi program was considered to be successful..." and says that it removed 100,000 combatants from the field. These contradict each other. Which is right - was it successful, or of little value? Kwertii (talk) 01:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the article states that the overall program (dropping leaflets by plane and artillery, as well as radio broadcasts) was a success, and that the method of dropping individual magazine bags by hand was of little value. No contradiction there. Still, it's a little confusing so I'll try to clean it up a bit before removing the tag. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 22:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

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